
If you have a 20-something hanging around your life, chances are 50-50 you’re getting your cultural and political news from different sources. If the young person is a grandchild, the odds go to 99-1. I’m making up the numbers but the point is that our older generation gets information about the world from very different sources than younger ones do and those sources don’t necessarily have the same outlook or rely on the same set of facts.
Most of us kinda know this but what does it mean? Is it just some bit of perceived wisdom or cliche that we mouth at social gatherings? Does it impact our lives in any way? The stakes of this info gap were brought home to me not by a chat with a 20-something but, oddly enough, by a reaction to my daughter’s book.
This past March, her book, The Instability of Truth arrived in bookstores (and on Amazon). It’s about brainwashing, mind control and hyper-persuasion. As part of her campaign to bring the ideas in the book to a wide swath of the public, my daughter went on a podcast blitz and landed most prominently on the Joe Rogan Experience,. Rogan’s show is one of the top five podcasts in the country and one which hews right/conservative and young male.
A few days after the podcast hit the internet, my daughter’s nephew texted her. HIs message: His friends thought it was cool that his aunt was on Joe Rogan. A week later, she was on a zoom call with an alumni group from her college when one of them told her, “My 22-year old was star-dazzled when he heard I was going to be talking to you. He’d heard you on Joe Rogan.”
Step back with me now to the media world of my generation. When the book came out, a few of my friends called to say how delighted they were to see it discussed in the New York Times and New Yorker. When I mentioned to other friends and colleagues that she had been on Joe Rogan’s podcast, the response was befuddlement. One said, “Oh, is he the guy who claimed the Sandy Hook shootings were a hoax?” No, that was Alex Jones. Others knew who Rogan was by reputation and asked if he had bullied her on the show. No, he had not. He and she had a polite and serious conversation, a portion of which centered around MK-ULTRA, a clandestine CIA mind control program circa the 1950s. MK-ULTRA has been one of Rogan’s long-standing interests and is probably why she was invited on the show.
Clearly, there is a wide gap between what older and younger generations see, read and listen to and their sources delivered information about my daughter’s book in very different ways. The traditional way told us what to think generally about the book and its ideas. The newer way discussed some of the book’s content based on the perspective of the podcast host. There was little crossover or room for discussion between the readers (of the reviews) and the listeners (of the podcast).
As many of us know from keeping our eyes and ears open, Gen Z does not read traditional newspapers or tune into the 6:00 evening news. They get their information via social media sites as well as podcasts and substacks. Most of my generation (aging boomers) is on a well-worn path where we trust institutions to bring us news that’s reliable and vetted. Do we and our adult children and grandchildren have a common base to discuss the response to a book on brainwashing to say nothing of what’s happening in the world?
Generation Z is not going back to the way things are for us. It will be up to us to bridge the gap, to stay abreast of their world by tuning into their sources of news and information. I can’t say I’ve become a Rogan regular, but I am trying to add to my news intake thought-stretching podcasts and news from social media sites. Here’s hoping I’m not sucked down a TikTok rabbit hole.
painting: Elizabeth Catlett, “Links Together”


