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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    The travel section of a newspaper isn't the most likely place to find a story on a major parental adjustment. Dominque Browning  managed to turn a trip to Boulder into a tale of her first journey, as a newly minted empty nester, to her youngest son's new nest and her recognition that she was no longer the homemaker-mom but a guest in her son's home.

    Her son moved from the east coast to Boulder. Boulder's a fun town to visit–I won't go into those details–but Browning had some thoughtful insights on the experience of realizing her youngest son was a grown up with a home of his own–a home that was wasn't hers and that was, moreover, half way across the country.

    Her first point: "There is a moment of truth all parents must face, usually on a sofa bed. Children eventually make their own lives, entirely separate from ours, and we participate in them only by invitation. It is a wise mother, indeed, who remembers the lessons that once came out of her mouth about how to be a good house guest."

    About that sofa bed. It was another wake-up call. As Browning and her son settle in for her first night at his apartment, he let's her know where she'll be sleeping. She won't, he tells her, "be taking my bedroom. That's the master bedroom. I am the master. I don't want to sleep out here. This is the guest room."  That was, Browning writes, "the moment. That was when I realized the earthshaking reality of having traveled to see my child, only to become a guest in his home. He was not my child, but my host, a grown-up. I could feel the tectonic plates of power shifting and grinding between us. A volcano of protest sputtered out, and I agreed that the living room, er, guest room, was the perfect place for me."

    It is a shocker of a moment. I remember the first year when uber son and his family booked and paid for the vacation condo and, when we arrived, instead of commandeering the master bedroom–as we did lo those many years when we booked and paid for the condo–we were relegated to an upstairs bedroom that one of our grandchildren vacated to accommodate us. Not that we had any complaint. (Or that they hadn't graciously offered to move out for the three nights we would be there. They did offer. We declined.] It was breathtaking recognition that the tectonic-plate had shifted–we were no longer the masters in charge with all the rights and privileges that come with that master's degree.

    Browning's blog follows up her New York Times travel piece, sharing with her readers the bits and pieces from her article that were left on the cutting room floor. Here's one item that struck home and that underlies my Note to Self about good housekeeping tips. Browning, it would appear, managed to find subtle ways to share such tips with her son, Theo: 

    "Driving my rental car to Target for supplies, Theo discussed the challenges of living on his own. “I think the tub leaks when I shower.” We bought shower curtains. “Isn’t it hard to pour boiling water from the pot to a teacup without spilling most of it?” We bought a kettle. “I should have taken the vacuum cleaner you offered me from home.” We bought a broom."

     

     

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    When I was growing up, some of my friends had over-protective parents–parents who marched over to school if a low grade or negative report was sent about their child, parents who labored with their children over the homework or had their kids call home every hour or so if they went out with friends for the evening–and this was well before cell phones. With the haze of hindsight, I saw the hovering come to an end by the time my friends went off to college.

    Today we call it helicopter parenting and many colleges report that it doesn't stop when the kids leave home and become college students. Now it's not just phone calls; it's also texting and Facebook and social media check ups. And in-person interference. Parents have even been spotted crashing Freshman meet-ups.

    Studies from academia suggest the perils our children face when we hover, helicopter or otherwise over-protect. They may end up unable to make decisions for themselves, to accept responsibility for their lives, to adjust to the demands of the workplace.

    A list of the 10 detrimental effects from helicopter parenting–along with notations of the academic studies–are in this blog. Read it and hope you don't see yourself there.

     

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Will we ever get it right? The do's and do not's for interacting with our grandkids' and grownkids' Facebook pages and Twitter streams are tricky enough. But, turns out there is an etiquette to be followed with email. Susan Adcox, on her grandparenting blog, had a post on a letter a grandchild wrote to Miss Manners about her grandmother's barrage of forwarded emails–you know, those mass emails telling you not to eat banana peels or warning you of a dangerous computer-destroying virus.

    In her letter to Miss Manners, the grandchild (a college student) wrote after her grandmother complained about her granddaughter's lack of response to the forwarded emails–one of which contained a nasty virus link that the grandmother clicked on. The granddaughter had to help her grandparent clean up her computer and the result was a cooling in the relationship. As the granddaughter put it, "I finally realized I didn’t have time to sit and reply to ridiculous forwarded e-mails when I have other priorities, such as keeping my GPA up. I saw my grandmother a few weeks ago, and I could tell she wanted to make a rude comment about my not responding to her e-mails. I still think it’s absolutely ridiculous to respond to a forwarded e-mail."

    MIss Manners, in her usual droll manner, started out with this trenchant observation: "Before you make Miss Manners responsible for your GPA, allow her to suggest a less time-consuming way of handling the situation. That would be to deal with the underlying problem, rather than the surface one." She pointed out that the underlying issue was probably more about the lack of communication than the response to the mass emails and that the granddaughter might cure the problem by shooting her grandmother an occasional email, as in "I'm busy studying for chemistry exam. Thinking of you and hoping your garden is flourishing," or something like that. I would add to that: ditto to the grandparent. Mass forwarded emails are not a substitute for bona fide communication.

    Susan Adcox goes a step further and offers grandparents two guidelines for email behavior, which apply whether it's in interaction with a grandchild, grown child or anyone else: "First, don't send forwards to people who never send you forwards. They are obviously not interested in receiving such information. Second, don't click on a link in any email that looks the slightest bit suspicious, even if it comes from a friend or relative.

    "Being tech-savvy means constantly adding to one's skill and sophistication, but it's worth it to have a solid electronic relationship with grandchildren. Besides, it's good for our brains. Recent studies show that using the Internet well requires  decision-making and complex reasoning skills–the kind of skills that warn us not to click on a link in a spammy email."

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Scratch a financial adviser and you get this answer: If you can afford it and you're going to lend money to your adult child, put it in writing. Sign a contract that lets your child know what the repayment schedule is, when you expect to get your money back. That makes it more of an arms length operation.

    While I was doing some research on the topic for USA Today's The Best Years, I came across a financial planner whose advice took a different tack–one that resonated with me. Personally, I could never see myself asking one of my children to sign an IOU. It just doesn't fit or sit right with me.

    If you can afford to make the loan, what did Marty Kurtz, have to say? "I'm not real crazy about lending kids money. It's okay for smaller amounts. But why would you loan for bigger amounts? It puts you in the position of being a debt collector and that’s going to impact your relationship." As Kurtz sees it, big loans are what banks are for. If credit ratings are a problem, you could go to the bank with your child and co-sign the loan. Yes, you're on the hook if he or she defaults. But as Kurtz points out, if you made the loan yourself and your child failed to pay you back, you would be in the same position. At least with a bank, it can put the repayment screws to your kid.

    There is the option of making a gift of the money. If you want to "teach the virtue of diligence," Kurtz says, you can make it a gift with strings. That, Kurtz says, is kind of like a bribe, but it can be very effective.

     

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    I've never thought of myself as a blithe spirit–a wish-I-were-a-kid-again kinda gal. There doesn't seem to be a little kid inside me pleading to get out. Never was. So imagine my surprise to find myself in my son and daughter-in-law's basement playing the part of a pizza-eating monster to my four-year-old Grand's pizza pie on the run. (script by 4-year-old; sound effects by 9-year old sister). Not only did I have to seek to find the gobble-able pizza pie, but I was playing the role in front of an audience. Well, okay, it was just uber son and Paterfamilias. But still.

    Was it fun? Sort of. Did it win me brownie points with my Grands? Maybe. DId it win me major credit with uber son? Absolutely.

    The link I posted a few weeks ago on 10 ways to be a fabulous grandparent, mentioned not being afraid to be silly. But here's what I'm thinking: When we get "silly" with our grand kids, they don't think that much of it–it's business as usual: they're silly with each other and their playmates and what are we but a big, overgrown playmate?

    But to our grown children, we're someone willing, able and clearly happy to enjoy their children and take pleasure not just in their accomplishments but in the pure delight of being with them at their level. 

    When I think of it that way, I don't feel so silly.

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    A few days ago I posted a blog on the heavy burden our college students carry in loans. It's hard for me to get my mind around $1 trillion–the amount of outstanding student-loan debt. I found these charts on NPR's Planet Money. They give some perspective on the bubble-like growth of debt college grads are currently saddled with.

    1. Americans now owe more on student loans than they owe on their credit cards.

    Student debt vs. credit card and car loan debt

    Source: Federal Reserve Bank of New York

    Credit: Lam Thuy Vo / NPR

     

    2. The amount of student debt being taken on every year has been rising rapidly for years now.

    Overall Federal and Non-Federal Loans

    Source: College Board

    Credit: Lam Thuy Vo / NPR

     

     

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    A friend is in a state of high distress. Her 39-year-old daughter–the mother of 6-year-old twins–is talking about moving half way across the country in another year or two. The daughter's husband–a man who started his military career at a young age–will be retiring from the army with a pension. The young family is looking to the future. They want to live in a place where the cost of living is lower and where there is easy access to the great outdoors. 

    "They won't have all the free babysitting they get here," says my friend, who provides 99 percent of that babysitting. They also won't be leaving Sunday dinner at my friend's house laden with enough "leftovers" to last a week. And the daughter and husband won't have those get-away weekends when the Grammy and Gramps take the boys and entertain them for three days at their house.

    When my friend retired this winter, she joined a health club–not necessarily the one she liked better but the one that came with an indoor pool where small children were allowed to be guests. She's already had the boys over for swims four or five times.

    It is hard for her to fathom why her daughter would voluntarily move away from all this loving support. It threatens her peace of mind. She is very attached to the twins–after all, she's helped nurture them since they were born.

    So what's a mother or father to do? We don't really have a say in what our children decide to do with their lives–beyond advice, if we're asked and occasionally, advice even if we're not asked.

    But the bottom line is that we won't be around forever. Maybe that's part of what is so disturbing about the threat to move away: when our grown children make plans for the future, we are neither central to that future nor a major factor in it. Plans are made to carry on without us. Ultimately, isn't that how it should be?

    Once again, it is matter of our "letting go." It comes in various forms at different stages of parenting. It never gets easier.

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    A little–perhaps a lot–of sympathy may be in order here. Our kids–the young adults coming out of college and graduate school–are drowning in debt and a lot of other woes that ripple out from that. "It's a very different world than 20 yrs ago" says Nancy Molitor, a clinical psychologist who practices in the Chicago area. "Parents in their 50s and 60s don’t have any idea of the stress their children are under."

    There's some $1 trillion outstanding student debt floating around out there. Molitor, who's also Public Education Coordinator for the American Psychological Association, saw the face of that debt up close and personally when she was a speaker at a seminar for graduate students in psychology. She asked the 150 students attending the seminar for a show of hands: How many of them had debt from college and graduate school? All hands went up. She then broke it down: How many had debt of $50,000 or less. Roughly 1/3 raised their hands. How many had debt of $100,000 or less? Another 1/3 raised their hands. When she upped it to $150,000, another 1/3 put up their hands. When she asked about debt above $150,000, ten hands shot up.

    That's a lot of money to owe when you're getting out of graduate school and can't find a job–or can't find one that pays enough to start whittling down that debt. But psychology isn't the only field where young people are under stress. In the aftermath of the Great Recession, opportunities for college and graduate school graduates have tightened and are almost at a point of diminishing return. It is no wonder, Molitor says, that a lot of the young adults she sees feel "bamboozled." And a lot of them, she adds, turn their anger on their parents–for sheltering them from the harsh realities, for leading them to believe that doing well in college would mean a good job, a worthwhile career, a house and a life style similar to their parents. "They feel let down, she says.

    It's also one of the reasons they're delaying marriage and are unwilling to start their own families. "These young adults feel like the debt is saddling them," Molitor reports. "It affects every decision they make. When you have debt you can’t take risks."

    It's a point Daniel Burrus, futurist and author of Flash Foresight, riffs on as well. As he sees it, kids aren't being guided properly. They're going to college and majoring in things, like philosophy, that will never lead to a job. His solution: better guidance counseling, better education about school debt versus level of diploma versus job opportunity.

    So where do we parents come into this? Certainly, we can help with the guidance and whether our particular children need to give up philosophy and concentrate on accounting or whether they–make that we–can afford to have them study disciplines that will enhance their critical thinking skills but not  necessarily outfit them for a job in today's market.

    Is there a parallel between the present crisis Burrrus and Molitor have observed, and a decade ago when the post 9/11 economy threaten to tank? George Bush famously offered his solution to the problem: Go shopping. Would that the solution to today's economic woes and job collapse were as simple as that. But maybe the fix is a variation on that theme: If we and our 401k plans can help our college and grad students reduce that debt, go pay it.

     

     

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Came across a post on a parenting blog that listed 10 ways to be a fabulous grandparent. Some of it is the usual–have fun with and don't be afraid to be silly around the grandkids. But two key in on issues that are far from silly and can effect our relationship not only with the grandkids but their parents:

     Take the lead: It's your job to stay in touch with your grandchild or grandchildren. If you expect them to do it, you'll be disappointed and frustrated. "It's age-appropriate for kids to be thoughtless about staying in touch. If you want the relationship, you have to be willing to do the work," says New York therapist Sharon O'Neill. Remember birthdays, but celebrate other special occasions as well…. Ask if you can bring artwork home to put on the fridge. Attend sports games, plays, and dance performances. Cheer loudly, bring flowers, and take everyone out for ice cream afterward. "

     Beware grandparent rivalry: Avoid the trap of keeping up with Grandpa Joe and Grandma Josie – this will only lead to hard feelings….A close relationship with one set of grandparents doesn't detract from your importance – unless you let it.

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Yes. It's yet another survey on how generous our generation is to our children. This one comes from Better Homes and Gardens Real Estate and keys in on the ways in which we help our children buy a home.

    According to its December survey, nearly one in five self-identified baby boomer couples had assisted at least one adult child in a home purchase. This help came in the form of down payment assistance, outright purchasing or mortgage co-signing.

    How do we do it? The survey found that many of us are digging into our savings or we're dipping into emergency funds or retirement funds in order to come up with the average $10,000 to $30,000 down payment for an American home.

    Do we expect to be repaid? The survey doesn't say. For some of us, it's repayment enough to see our children living in a nice, solid home that someday–should the housing downturn ever turn around–will appreciate and bring them a modicum of good fortune. If they eventually flip the house and make a killing (those days may never return but….), they might share the pot of wealth with the ones who made it possible.

    Few of us can count on that one.