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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     

    Conversation overheard two days before Thanksgiving:

    First woman [who lives in Florida and has come north to see grownkids/grandkids}. "I flew into New York City to see Jacob [grandson] in a recital but the rest of the time I just ran errands for everyone–picking stuff up here, taking someone there. Now I'm here [Washington, D.C.] to see my son and his family and all I'm doing is running errands."

    Second woman [who lives in Washington as do her grown children and Grands]: "I know what you mean. If my kids asked me to run out into the street and stop traffic, I'd do it."

    Neither one's tone suggested they were complaining. To the contrary, there was a little bit of preening, an edge of braggadocio.

    Truth be told, I wasn't an idle eavesdropper to this conversation. These were two acquaintances chatting away–as I pulled on my coat and gathered my belongings. I was on my way to the airport, to catch a plane to join my grown son and his family for the holiday. Paterfamilias and I were heading there, as usual, two days before the family festivities. The theory: not only would we miss the worst of congested Thanksgiving travel, but all the work of preparing the turkey feast wouldn't fall on my daughter-in-laws shoulders. We would be there in time to help with, yes, errands. 

    What is it about errands for our grown kids and their family: Are we hoping to make life easier or more pleasant for them–save them a few steps here and there. Are we proving our value. Or just giving ourselves a pat on the back for being so supportive and wonderful.

    And why do we chit-chatter on about the errand running. Do we do it to tell each other how useful we are to our children, to make ourselves feel needed, to let our friends and acquaintances know how busy and successful our children are–and how we are helping make that possible.

    Or are we just talking about doing something our parents did for us: Seeing a need and filling it. A family tradition–for the holidays and beyond.

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     

    This is not the first time I've shared one of Carl Pickhardt's insights on parenting adolescents. Many of his points apply to parenting emerging adults–those just out of their teens but not quite into full-blown adulthood. But his recent newsletter's point applies to all: When it comes to parenting adolescent or adult children, lighten up.  "Parenting is too serious to take every frustration seriously," he writes, "because when parents do that they are likely to overreact and make minor matters worse."

    Pickhardt makes his point through an anecdote that shows how the parent (a father) was able to lighten up enough to keep from losing his temper over a test that pitted his request for action (a variation on clean up your room) versus the son's persistent postponement of doing anything about it. When our children are adolescents living under our roof, these kinds of issues come up all the time. But even when they are "emancipated," we can come up against a test of wills, an unwillingness to take our "suggestions" seriously or stop behaving in a way we deem inappropriate. At such times, the light touch is even more important: we're no longer the boss.

    Here's a link to Pickhardt's newsletter and for those who don't want to go there, a recounting of the anecdote and a quickie synopsis of Pickhardt's analysis of what was going on here.

    The anecdote: "My fifteen-year-old just took a shower and there they are where he always leaves them: wet towels all over the bathroom floor. ‘Would you please hang up the towels,’ I ask? ‘Sure,’ he cheerfully replies. And I wait for what I know is coming next: ‘In a minute.’

    “I mean it’s not like I haven’t been through this torment before—like about a million times. So I wait an hour to check the bathroom, and everything’s okay. No one has disturbed the towels. They’re resting nicely and probably so is he. So I poke my head into his room and remind him: ‘The towels. You said you’d pick up the towels.’

    “He looks at me and shakes his head like he was the long suffering parent and I was the troublesome child. ‘I wish you’d make up your mind,’ he says. ‘I’m doing my homework. You’re always after me to do my homework. Can I do my homework without being interrupted?’

    “Don’t ask me how he does it, but now I’m feeling on the defensive. ‘After you finish your homework you’ll pick them up?’ He just shakes his head like I’m some kind of defective and he doesn’t know how he puts up with me. ‘Yes. Yes. Yes. Now can I get back to work?’ I feel like I’m imposing, so I leave.

    “Two hours later the towels (remember the towels?) are still where he dropped them and I find him watching TV. Now I have him dead to rights. This is indefensible, so I say: ‘If you have time to watch TV, you have time to pick up the towels.’ This is when he gives me this pained look: ‘Once a week, is that asking too much? Once a week I get to see my favorite program. The only one I care to watch. I’ve done my homework like you wanted. Now, can I watch my program? As soon as it’s over, I’ll get the towels.’ Well, he did get his homework done. ‘Okay,’ I say. ‘But right after it’s over, the towels. No more excuses.’ He nods agreement and impatiently dismisses me with a long suffering wave of his hand.

    “An hour and a half later I can’t believe it. The towels haven’t been touched. I storm off to his room. His light is out. ‘The towels!’ I yell into the dark. ‘What? What’s the matter?” a groggy voice asks as though I’d woken him up? But I stand my ground. ‘The towels,’ I repeat. Silence. ‘You woke me up to talk about towels?’ he asks, implying that if there is something wrong, it’s certainly not with him. ‘You’re always after me to get in bed on time. To get enough rest. And now you wake me up for this? For towels? Can’t I get them in the morning?’ I’m tired too. ‘You promise?’ I ask. ‘I promise,’ he says. ‘Now can I get some sleep?’

    “Next morning, there he is about to leave for school when I notice the towels from last night have been joined by more towels from today’s shower. That’s when I lose it. I scream as though I’d been betrayed, which is how I feel: ‘Your promise! What about your promise?’

    “You should have seen the look of utter disbelief on his face. ‘You want me to miss the bus? You want me to be late for school? For towels? Which is more important: towels or school?’ Fortunately, for once in my life I made the right decision: ‘School? The heck with school! FIRST, YOU PICK UP THOSE TOWELS!’”

    So according to the long-suffering father described above, the young man did finally retrieve the towels, except for the sodden one either overlooked or subversively left underneath the bathroom sink, perhaps as a reminder that the Game was still on.

    “Five out of six is not a bad average” the dad smilingly concluded. Then, feeling delayed but apparently not defeated, he laughed: “Back to work!” He was resolved to pursue picking up the one remaining towel as the ongoing battle for and against timely compliance continued to run its seemingly eternal course.

    The father who told Pickhardt the story was, Pickhardt says, "really [telling] a story on himself—laughing at his predicament and his own reactions, grudgingly admiring his son’s spirit of opposition. Not taking the problem personally, he used humor to create perspective…"

    Do the towels apply to our insistence on being called or notified about events in our adult (or emerging adult) children's lives, or their promises to visit or, if they've moved back home, doing the chores we've asked them to do as part of the bargain of living under our roof again? Personally, whenever I feel a nag coming on, I'm going to think "towels!"

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    A few posts ago, I wrote about a young woman who found her mother-in-law "too nice." The issue, as Carolyn Hax pointed out in her column, was whether the 'niceness" was a cover for manipulative, over-protective and intrusive behavior. Helicoptering carried to its highest level: an inability to let go.

    Hax, in her column-writing wisdom, suggested the young woman read Gavin De Becker's The Gift of Fear–to better understand her mother-in-law and deal with the manipulation problem.

    Don't know if the daughter-in-law read it, but I did–not to fend off a persistently meddlesome parent but to see if I saw myself in De Becker's descriptions of the controlling parent, sibling, or in-law who can't let go.

    Of course I did not find myself there. Who would connect with the difficult –almost "call the cops"–personalities De Becker describes in his chapter, "Persistence, Persistence." That said, based on his chapter, here are some of the warning signs of overly-persistant personalities who can't take lift their finger off the control button.

    –refusing to hear 'no'–that is, perceiving "maybe" as "definitely."

    –projecting onto others committments that were not expressed and are not present–or are unwanted.

    –demanding attention. or put another way, refusing to be ignored and using guilt, harrassment or insults to make sure attention is paid.

    –insisting on constant communication despite requests to back off.

    –exhibiting an extraordinary sense of entitlement

    If you ever had to deal with someone like this, De Becker's book can help you figure out a strategy for making the relationship less painful–or at least give you some control over it, which is where Carolyn Hax' was sending her reader.

     

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     

     

    Don't like your child's choice of partner or spouse? I have lots of friends, as this previous post attests, who can't understand what their daughters or sons see in the person they've chosen to marry or partner with for life. Take Jane and Lew. Their daughter is on her second spouse and they haven't liked either one of them: Where their daughter is a lawyer, both of their sons-in-law were/are in law enforcement positions that have little upward mobility, to say nothing of a financial future. Jane and Lew are making their peace with the second spouse since he is the father of their grandson. But they're still confused and confounded.

    They shouldn't be, at least not according to Piet Van Den Berg and Tim W. Fawcett. "a  opinion piece by. If I read their New York Times column "Evolution and Bad Boyfriends, correctly, Jane and Lew are enablers in their daughter's choices. They have, in short, gotten what they wanted.

    The authors' first point: All over the world parents and children "frequently don’t see eye to eye on what makes a suitable partner." If it's so widespread, the authors argue, "there is reason to suspect that it might have something to do with our evolutionary history."

    How so? "It is in parents’ evolutionary interests to distribute their resources — money, support, etc. — in such a way that leads to as many surviving grandchildren as possible, regardless of which of their children provide them. Children, by contrast, have a stronger genetic interest in their own reproduction than in that of their siblings, so each child should try to secure more than his or her fair share of parental resources. It is this conflict over parental resources that can lead to a conflict over mate choice."

    After building a computer model to simulate the evolutionary process of dating and mating, the authors came up with this finding: "…[P]arents in our model evolved to invest more resources in daughters who chose mates with few resources. This unequal investment was in the parents’ best interests, because a daughter with an unsupportive partner would profit more from extra help than her more fortunate sisters (the principle of diminishing returns on investment). By helping their needier daughters, parents maximized their total number of surviving grandchildren. But this unequal investment created an incentive for daughters to “exploit” their parents’ generosity by choosing a partner who was less supportive."

    So it's all our fault if we don't like the guy our daughter marries. Jane and Lew are proof of the researcher's point. They are, in fact, helping to support the couple [paying the mortgage when their daughter took a year off to be a stay-at-home mom; loading their daughter's freezer with food; providing vacations]. But there is a co-conspirator: Darwin's making them do it.

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    I am back from the brink of a Facebook faux pas. Yes, I was about to drop a comment on my son's FB page–the page he posted that linked to a Russian version of a page of his.

    On his post, he was wondering what all those Cyrillic letters added up to, but I
    keyed in on his photo on the "Russian" page. His expression was–to a mom's way of thinking–too serious and kind of dour. I was going to tell him (in the most jovial way, of course) to lighten up–un petit sourire–for his
    Russian ancestry.

    Then, whew, I thought better of it. This is a page that his friends and acquaintances–including those he does business with–see. No matter how humorous or witty the wording, a mom's commentary, especially about his appearance, is a poor choice. Even inappropriate, given that he is a grown man using Facebook to interact with industry peers. It would be belittling to have his mom tell him in a public space to put a more welcoming expression on his face. Besides, how unwise of me to remind him that I am nosing around his musings and casting a critical eye. 

    So I'll just say it here: un petit sourire. Or for those Russian ancestors: Немного улыбаться. He doesn't have to see it nor do his friends and–more to the point–neither do the people he works with.

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     

     

    I love Miss Manners–her delicious wit and snarky asides that stay just this side of mannerly. Mostly, though, I feel the etiquette expert is on our side. In her everyday life as Judith Martin, she is, after all, the parent of grown children.

    One of her recent brief but pertinent sallies addresses the issue of a grown child's wedding: How much control do we have over the celebratory reception, given that we may be footing the bill? The question put by the parent goes directly to the point: "If I am paying for my daughter's wedding, do I have input on the guest list?"

    Miss Manners replies: "That privilege is not for sale, as Miss Manners gathers you seem to believe. However, it does come free with the position of being your daughter's parent."

    I believe that says it all in terms of how much pressure we are allowed to exert on the number of aunts, uncles and cousins (by the dozens) we insist be invited to attend. Caveat parenter.

     

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Uh Oh. Here it comes again. Read any "advice" column and you come across the usual litany of complaints about us by our daughters-in-law or sons-in-law: We're too critical, judgmental, intrusive. We want them to run their households our way. We use money to control their vacations and other comings and goings. Some of us have made adjustments when we've recognized an untoward behavior but otherwise, when we read the columns, we just stew over the unfair picture of mothers-in-law and fathers-in-law.

    This time, Carolyn Hax works a compliment from a reader about her mother-in-law into what it really is: a complaint about smother love. It's hard not to take it to heart.

    Her in laws, a woman writes, "are too nice." Case in point: when her husband [the son] and and son [the grandchild] visit the mother/grandmother, she sends back "gifts." Unfortunately, they are usually "foods we're trying to avoid." Worse, each of the gifts "requires a special phone call of thanks." The in-laws also want phone calls anytime the family travels long distances or in bad weather. "They keep track of our kids' doctors' appointments so they can ask how everything went." What this Hax correspondent wants to know is whether there's a polite way "to get them to back off, just a little. We love them and appreciate that they are always there for us, but it's just too much of an emotional burden to handle their anxieties about our everyday life."

    So what does Carolyn have to say about too much niceness? It is, she writes, a variation of smother love.  "You describe a mother-in-law who is manipulative, controlling, insecure and boundary-challenged." Hax then asks whether the husband is "as uncomfortable with this as you are? Is he ready to
    set some limits, or has he too bought into the “nice” canard? I
    suspect you’d both benefit from reading on boundaries and emotional
    manipulation. Don’t tune me out: The best read on this topic is “The
    Gift of Fear
    ” by Gavin de Becker. It will seem like a loopy
    recommendation for “just” a fussy mom, but it’s actually square on
    point."

    Having suffered through a non-smothering but manipulative mother, I'm heading for the Gavin de Becker. Better late than never. Besides, I want to make sure I don't see myself in it–that all the "niceness" I like to confer on my children is above suspicion, that it is not turning me into a secret smother-mother or mother-in-law. I will report back on what I learn. Stay tuned.

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Those of us at the older end of the baby boom have our frustrations with social media. You can hear our voices when you browse through Ask Ann or Carolyn Hax columns. We raise a litany of complaints about how our grown kids or grand kids are lost in their digital devices, using Facebook or Twitter or Instagram or whatever to express the most personal of emotions. (One constant annoyance raised by an army of letter writers: using email or a text message to thank us for a gift when, top our way of thinking, that should be done by pen-written word on a lovely sheet of writing paper. Dream On.)

    We may find it astonishing when they share deeply personal losses with their followers or friends on various social media. The etiquette answers aren't all settled yet–and are unlikely to be settled in our favor. That's why I found this post on a blog by Nathan Bransford, a writer and former book agent [and soneone's grown child], helpful in putting things in perspective.

    "Social media is a strange medium. You are staring at a computer or a
    mobile device when you post and tweet. By its very nature you are not
    engaging with another human. You are sending messages to an unknown
    number of recipients you can vaguely imagine but can't really identify.

    The result of that communication can alternately feel like shouting into
    a quiet forest or a very loud, crowded room. And yet, because it's so
    public and so immediate, there are moments when tweets and Facebook
    posts can feel shockingly intimate.

    The latter kind was on display when an NPR host live-tweeted his mother's death.

    Some people might find his tweets unseemly and some commenters thought
    it trivialized the moment, but I think this kind of public experience of
    real life will increasingly be a part of our future. We're all living
    simultaneously public and private lives. And not just public and
    private, as in the case of writing a memoir, but instantaneously public and private. It's something entirely new.

    I've remarked in a recent interview about how pleasantly moved I was
    by the outpouring of support after I announced my divorce. It didn't
    strike me as false or trivialized by the medium. It was real, even
    though it was coming through a computer.

    Whatever it is, this is a completely new medium for experiencing life,
    one that is both distant and immediate, public and intimate, and
    mechanical and human."

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Years ago when my son was in high school, he decided to interview my mother and tape-record her story. He wanted to know more about how she arrived in this country, how she met her husband, what life was like in "the old days."

    It's not an atypical quest. Kids get interested in their grandparents' lives, especially if those grandparents emigrated to this country and had to adjust to a whole new way of life. I was reminded of this when a friend told me about her grandson's decision to tape-record his grandfather's life. The grandfather–Joe–was born in Russia but grew up in Shanghai when his parents moved there. He left to go to college in the U.S. While he was in the U.S., there was tremendous upheaval in China. He was stuck in the U.S. with no money, no one to pay his tuition and a better command of Chinese, Russian and French than of English. How he managed to survive, prosper and have a brilliant career as an economist–one who spent several years living in Paris, London and other glamorous world capitals–was the tale the grandson wanted to record.

    The grandson, who lives in a city several hundred miles to the south of Joe and my friend, came up north for two weeks this summer to interview his grandfather. He stayed with his grandparents–which had its ups and downs but mostly was a positive and bonding experience. All went well until he showed Joe the typed up pages–"selected parts" of a very long transcript.

    Joe took issue with many details–"I didn't say that," he would claim, demanding to to see a full transcript, which would have cost several thousand dollars to produce. (My friend priced it: $90 an hour to transcribe two weeks worth of interviews.) The grandson had kept an index of "events" as he interviewed his grandfather so he knew which parts he could skip and where he wanted to concentrate his transcription efforts.

    The project had been for a class at school; the grandson handed in his interview and got credit for a job well done. But my friend worries that this legacy-writing project will drive a wedge between grandfather and grandson. The grandson–a college student–says he plans to write a book about Joe and my friend says that is what worries her husband: Someone else will spin the narrative of his life. He would rather it be he who writes it but, as my friend points out, he's an economist who is not particularly blessed with narrative skills.

    She is relieved that so far there has been no damage to the grandparent-grandson relationship. Now that the arguments over the interview transcripts have been ironed out, there's some hope that at least the book will be accurate. The grandson may turn Joe's life into a compelling book, but at least it will be based on lengthy interviews that Joe has had a chance to read and correct.

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    My secret Skyper navigating an iPad

    Skype is not a telephone call: We don't video-call our grown children or Grands without warning. That would be a visual and virtual intrusion into their personal space.

    So goes my good-sense rule for proper Skype etiquette. We here in our household adhere to it faithfully: Paterfamilias because he doesn't know how to Skype (he hasn't loaded it onto any of his e-devices; no one's helped him out yet) and me because, well, I wrote the rule.  But there are outliers–rogue Skypers to whom this admonition does not apply.

    My secret Skyper is a case in point. I was sitting at my computer editing a story one morning when the Skype ring sounded. It announced that my daughter-in-law was calling. She's never Skyped me. Doesn't really like the whole Skype thing–three children, she says, are two too many for a Skype call. So there must be a pressing reason for her call.

    I press the "answer" button right away and onto my screen hoves a five-year old, momentarily upside down but smiling. She turns the iPad around and there she is right-side up, my youngest Grand, the one I usually get to spend the least amount of time with. She is a pre-reader but there's little she doesn't know about navigating the icons on her mother's iPad. She had clicked on Skype, saw my photo [I'm one of two Skype connections my son-in-law set up for his sister-in-law on her iPad) and voila, there I was. 

    What a precious time it was for me, who lives some 400 miles away from her. I spent half an hour chatting with her, one on one, just the two of us–no big sister or brother to answer for her, interrupt her chit-chat or demand a turn. She showed me how she had imitated a dog in drama class in kindergarten (woof!), she ran and got her spiderman mask and put that on, she gave me details about the family's canoe trip (she did not paddle). At some point in our chat, her mother wandered by and asked who she was talking to–one of her voice-activated games? "I'm talking to PenPen," she announced.

    That was not the end of my secret Skyper. Later that day while I was out buying something for dinner, my iPhone's Skype rang and there she was again, ready to share some more of her thoughts–and a little more of that Spiderman mask. (I got to show her the rows of cereal and bins of apples at the store. Otherwise, our conversation was brief: a Whole Foods is not the best place to chat up a five-year-old.)

    I await more Skype time with her–whenever she deigns to tap my Skype button. It is our little private way of communicating–something we share that doesn't include anyone else; something she does that her brother and sister don't. The Skype rules of etiquette have no relevance here. "Intrusive" is not a word to apply to a five-year-old's impromptu visit with a grandparent. The rules are for my generation–the ones who are tiptoeing around their grown children's lives and hoping not to make a social media faux pas. When it comes to Grands, it is not a two-way street.

    But I do have secret-Skyper competition. After we hung up, my littlest Grand pressed the other Skype button on the iPad and rang up her uncle–the very one who had set up Skype on the iPad in the first place. He says he was delighted to get her call. Only hitch: He and my daughter are living in Berlin. It was midnight there when she called.

     

     

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