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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

       "The transition from college to adult life is treacherous, and this is nowhere more visible than among new college graduates in their first real jobs." Thus spake Charles Murray, the controversial social historian. A few years ago, he reports in a Wall Street Journal column, he took it upon himself to start writing tips for the young staff where he works about how to avoid doing things that would make their supervisors write them off. As he points out, at senior levels of an organization there are curmudgeons everywhere, judging a young worker's every move. It is their good opinion–not those of their peers–that newly employed college grads need to win if they hope to get ahead.

    Murray's WSJ column was, in effect, touting his new book ["The Curmudgeon's Guide to Getting Ahead: Dos and Don'ts of Right Behavior, Tough Thinking, Clear Writing, and Living a Good Life,"] that's more about his take on how to live a good life (marry young; take religion seriously). His curmudgeonly pointers on demeanor for workplace success–also included in the book–are worth passing along to where the shoe might pinch.

    • Excise the word “like” from your spoken English
    • Don’t suck up
    • Stop “reaching out” and “sharing”
    • Rid yourself of piercings, tattoos, and weird hair colors
    • Make strong language count

    "Like" or not these words of wisdom, feel free to reach out and share them.

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

               

    It's one of my favorite stories about my mother-in-law, who was a charming and intelligent woman, short in height but highly competitive. Even in the small things and sometimes in ways that, well, bordered on the embarrassingly exaggerated. When I told her the new height my son had reached–he graduated from high school as a six-footer and came home from his freshman year at college at 6' 3"–she denied it. "Oh no," she said. "I told Aunt Nettie he's 6' 7."

    Most of us made it through the parenting years with at least some boasting–however subtle–about our wonderful children and their accomplishments. My mother-in-law was not alone in keeping those bragging rights and applying them to the next generation. 

    Grandparents do it, as I was reminded recently by a delightful piece in The Hindu which detailed the creative one-upsmanship of Indian grandparents or, what the author calls "the proud, and sometimes patronising, tones of the competitive grandaprent." It's worth clicking the link and reading the whole piece but here are two anecdotes that make my mother-in-law seem a master of understatement.

    One discussion between friends who are both grandparents went like this: “Siddharth has already started piano lessons.” The reply: “That’s so good! So he’s seven now? My grandson started at five, and he’s such an accomplished player at 12!”

    And another: “Keerti is getting quite good at her Carnatic music lessons back in the U.S. She’s found a really good teacher.” Reply: “Really? Well, we’ve arranged for a Chennai teacher to coach my granddaughter through Skype, in addition to her local classes in the U.S., of course — the teachers there are not as professional as the ones here, are they?”

    The author suggests that we who live far from our grandchildren may be the worst offenders–because we don't have the day-to-day ups and downs to give us perspective. "To and fro visits are too short and …are spent in observing and relishing accomplishments. The hours that might have earlier been put in child-minding are now spent in re-living memories of annual or bi-annual visits."

    Since my grandkids arrived a year or three later than those of several of my friends, I remember all too well the fear that I would have to listen to "charming" anecdotes about the adorable offspring of their grown children. As the author in India notes, "nobody wants to hear odes to somebody else’s grandchild."

    So dear reader, if you press me, I can assure you that my grown children and grandchildren are brilliant, joyful and superbly talented. (Some of them are even tall.) Anecdotal proof, however, is available only upon request. I hope I live up to that promise.

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    They've graduated college, are living independently, may even have acquired a spouse–or spouse-to-be. If we are no longer the central player in their lives–and we're not or shouldn't be–then what is our role? Re-framing how we function as Mom or Dad is the ongoing challenge of parenting adult children. It's one many have tried to define.

        Robin Marantz Henig, a science journalist and co-author, with her daughter Samantha Henig, of Twentysomething: Why Do Young Adults Seem Stuck?, has noted that "many Baby Boomers have adopted the role of concierge, and at a luxury hotel!" For herself, Henig  tries "to think of myself as a consultant to my two daughters, but who knows—every now and then the concierge (aka Jewish mother) in me inevitably peeks out."

    In her book, Linda Herman gives parents of grown children the "right"–or peace of mind–to let go. "Over the course of our children’s lives, we need to make the transition through the “three Cs of parenting," from choreographers to coaches on sidelines to consultants referred to for expert advice.

        My own take is that we stumble and bumble our way from being the benign dictators that we were when we reared our young children to recognizing that, now that those kids are adults, we’ve been forced out of office. Finding a graceful way to come to grips with the coup d’etat may sound simple but is hard and harder to do as life's joys and blows come along.

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    It's always been my challenge: how to get a conversation going with grandchildren who live far away–some of whom are now pre-teens. Skype may make it seem like we're in the same room when we chat, but we don't have the same day-to-day sense of interchange as we would if my Grands lived next door–figuratively speaking. Or at least in the same city.

    When my Grands were small, questions like, what's your favorite color? animal? sport? worked wonders in breaking the ice. But with pre-teens those questions can, well, seem childish. So far we've found it's easy with our boy Grand: sports is an ice breaker and conversation base. He's big on soccer, baseball, football–you name it. So's his dad and so is Paterfamilias [the Granddaddy]. When we're on an in-person visit, I get in on it by posing crossword questions having to do with sports (4 down: Cy Young winner, 1988), which sometimes brings him around to working the crossword puzzle with me and chatting about the various other clues, which we like to answer with the help of an iPad or laptop. Lot's of conversation starters there.

     Tim Gunn, mentor extraordinaire

    But with the girls? There isn't the same tried-and-true connector. Except that I lucked into one with my 11-year-old Grand who is living in Berlin for a year. In December, when she and her parents came to our home for the holidays we watched Runway together–hours of reruns on YouTube. It's become our "ice-breaker"–that is, my way of getting a conversation started. And it's been working. It isn't the fashion stuff that' we talk about–neither of us is into high style or brand labels. Rather it's the personalities on the show. We are both fans of Heidi Klum (and the way she says "Auf weidersehn" when she gives the week's losing designer the bad news) and Tim Gunn, the mentor and co-host.

    When we Skype we talk about the new show (Under the Gunn), what it's like. And then came what I call My Big Breakthrough. I mentioned on one of our chit chats how I heard Tim Gunn interviewed on Terry Gross's Fresh Air show on NPR. My Grand wanted details. Among the points Gunn made–and among those I chose to repeat to my Grand (I did not tell her about his suicide attempt when he was 17)–was how difficult a childhood he had as a schoolboy, how he was shipped him from one boarding school to another and teased for being different: he had a stutter.

    Tim Gunn's story was the opening. She sat on her sofa at her end of the SKype call and we talked about the fear of being teased or bullied at school and that morphed into her talking about her social standing in school–a school she was attending for one year while she is in Berlin. I told her what mine had been [neither popular nor bullied–just a shy person with friends who, like me, weren't part of the popular crowd] and she detailed her's. It was a wonderful conversation. I got a sense of the struggles she was having and concerns she had at the school in Berlin, her hopes for what it would be like when she was back in her home school in September with her friends–with whom she keeps in touch by email and Skype. (Let's hear it for technology!) I feel I know her better and–this is all hope on my part–I feel she feels closer to me, that there's an enhanced element of trust.

    What I tell myself now is this: You never know where the opening is going to come from. (Thank you Tim Gunn for being so open and honest–and so likeable–that an 11-year-old takes seriously what you have to say.)  When that opening for an intimate conversation does come along, I plan to hold on and make the most of it. It's the jackpot. And say my Hosannas that it was there.  It may not come again.

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    We were well into our pear-tini's (a delightful pear flavored cocktail) when my friend C said she didn't mean to gossip but….her husband's father still pays his daughter's credit card bills even though the daughter (the dad's youngest child and only daughter) is about to turn 40. The daughter, C says, has a good job and so does her husband. "He [the dad] just spoils her rotten," says C, whose Midwestern father wouldn't have dreamed of running up a credit card bill, no less paying his daughter's debts or minor indulgences.

    I cringe. I don't pay my children's credit card bills but I do help out my kids occasionally–and I enjoy doing it. Am I spoiling them? They give no indication that they expect any assistance. The few times they have asked for money to help them ride out a cash flow problem, they have paid it back quickly and in full. It was hard to express to C how much pleasure I get from giving–from knowing I'm there as a helping hand, to take the edge off any financial worries or make some small indulgence possible.

    Now I feel vindicated–and pretty upbeat about myself. A new study finds that while we parents of adult children want our kids to be independent and self sufficient, some of us still get a thrill from helping out–though some decidedly do not.

    The study looked at 337 older parents of middle-aged children and found that parents are giving help to their children, well into their children's middle age. "This support is often associated with lower rates of depression among the older adults," reports Lauren Bangerter, one of the researchers from Penn State. Those who felt rewarded by providing financial support had fewer depressive symptoms when they were helping generously compared with when they weren't. Meanwhile, those who did not feel rewarded by helping financially had more depressive symptoms when they helped financially.

    The results also suggest, according to Steven Zarit, a Penn State professor also involved in the study. "that depressive symptoms are more frequent when the level of reward a parent feels regarding giving is inconsistent with the amount of tangible support that he or she actually gives."

    To those of us who have the wherewithal and share it with our grown kids no matter their age: Let's have another pear-tini and give ourselves a pat on the back. We make ourselves feel good about being indulgent–even if others see it as spoiling our kids rotten.

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    "Their lives are all set," my friend Lulu says. "What to do with me?"

    Lulu was talking about an impending visit to a grown daughter and the daughter's family–two children and a husband–that recently relocated to Hong Kong. This would be Lulu's first big trip on her own since her husband died last summer.

    It's the daughter's job with a development bank that's brought the young family to the former British colony that's now part of China. The job is one that keeps Lulu's daughter busy–traveling part of almost every week to Southeast Asia countries where the bank has interests. So when Lulu announced she was planning to visit her daughter and family in January, the daughter wondered what Lulu would do. The kids would be in school, the daughter would be working–and traveling–and the son-in-law would be spending his days as usual on his computer. 

    Not exactly an inviting prospect. And yet, well—here's Lulu's report on her 10-day visit:

    "I enjoy visiting my children and getting a sense of how they lead their lives. But they wouldn't be around during the day on this visit. I figured I could go off and do things by myself–after all, I was going to a pretty exciting part of the world. It turned out to be easy getting around. I was able to figure out the subway. I read guidebooks and each night I would figure out what I wanted to do the next day and how to be back at the apartment when everyone else came home. I asked my son-in-law, who doesn't have a job, if he wanted to come with me to some of the things but he didn't want to go. I didn't say anything.

    "One thing I wanted to do was have high tea at the Peninsula Hotel. My daughter was surprised that I was ready to do that by myself. It must have sounded interesting because she decided to meet me there and we had high tea together. It was lovely.

    "I knew before I left home that my daughter had a trip to Vietnam planned and that I was invited to go with her. That was a lot of fun. She had a big room at a luxury hotel in Hanoi. She went to her meetings and I kept myself busy: I took a cooking class, which was a lot of fun–they take you shopping to the outdoor markets to buy ingredients. I went to a museum on Vietnam's history and I walked around the city–though that was tricky since it's really hard to cross the streets: hundreds of motorbikes are coming at you and they never stop. In the evening, I would join my daughter and have dinner together with her and her colleagues.  

    "This was the best visit I had. Part of the reason it went so well is that I was doing my own thing. I was happy, and they were happy."

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    I am awash in guilt. My daughter-in-law is having a problem with my son's personal "clean-up" habits. He does not place his dirty laundry in the basket provided at a convenient place for him. It has led to great annoyance on her part–and even some good-natured retaliation, which I learned about from a Facebook entry he posted.

    My DIL had sent my son an email addressing the issue. Riffing on a book he wrote about teaching techniques, she emailed him a photo of that morning's laundry basket with his dirty socks lying nearby and then wrote: "I'd like you to try again at the end of the day to nail the laundry in the basket thing we've been working on. I'm giving you the opportunity to show me how much you've improved! POW. Technique 39."

    His Facebook item noted that, upon seeing the photo, he was unsure whether it did or did not suggest he had shown some improvement. He showed the photo (not the idealized version above) to two female colleagues, both of whom assured him it was overwhelming evidence that he was doing a poor job.

    Well, it turned into a very amusing Facebook entry (for those of us who know my son), and we who saw it–including many of his colleagues–got a good chuckle out of it. But when I talked to my DIL a few days later, she wasn't laughing.

    She was frustrated about the mess he was leaving for her to pick up and she had had enough of it. That's where my guilt came in. I remembered, too clearly, what a messy kid he had been–how he left his dirty laundry on the floor of his room: just stepped out of his jeans and left them as they were, along with the tee shirts he'd worn and, of course, the underwear and socks. I had just let it all sit there till he couldn't walk around in his room anymore–on the theory that that would encourage him to clean up. Evidently, it didn't work. When I mentioned this early "training" to my DIL she tried not to be aghast or to put the blame on my shoulders, though clearly some of it belonged there.

    I am sure–at least I think I am sure–that she does not want me to intervene in this squabble, that she was just letting off steam in a safe place. And I do feel for her. But also for my son. No question, he should put his dirty laundry in the basket, not around it, and that he should support his wife when she sends the same message to the children. But having grown up with a neat-freak mother–much more of a "you will do it my way" housekeeper than my DIL–I know how impossible it can be to meet expectations and sometimes to not even know what those expectations are. Though in this case, there are no excuses: Dirty laundry is either in the basket or it's not. How could he not know that? Didn't his mother teach him anything?

    When I looked at it I wasn’t totally sure whether she was showing me the picture as evidence that I was doing a good job or a bad job. However, I shared it with my Practice Perfect co-authors, Katie Yezzi and Erica Woolway and they assured me that, devastatingly, it was overwhelming evidence of a poor job on my part. – See more at: http://teachlikeachampion.com/blog/personal-confession-came-crashing/#sthash.Pm0fb5sY.dpuf

    I’d like you to try again at the end of the day to nail the laundry in the basket thing we’ve been working on.  I’m giving you the opportunity to show me how much you’ve improved!

    POW!  Technique 39.

    – See more at: http://teachlikeachampion.com/blog/personal-confession-came-crashing/#sthash.Pm0fb5sY.dpuf

    I’d like you to try again at the end of the day to nail the laundry in the basket thing we’ve been working on.  I’m giving you the opportunity to show me how much you’ve improved!

    POW!  Technique 39.

    – See more at: http://teachlikeachampion.com/blog/personal-confession-came-crashing/#sthash.Pm0fb5sY.dpuf

    I’d like you to try again at the end of the day to nail the laundry in the basket thing we’ve been working on.  I’m giving you the opportunity to show me how much you’ve improved!

    POW!  Technique 39.

    – See more at: http://teachlikeachampion.com/blog/personal-confession-came-crashing/#sthash.Pm0fb5sY.dpuf

    I’d like you to try again at the end of the day to nail the laundry in the basket thing we’ve been working on.  I’m giving you the opportunity to show me how much you’ve improved!

    POW!  Technique 39.

    – See more at: http://teachlikeachampion.com/blog/personal-confession-came-crashing/#sthash.Pm0fb5sY.dpuf

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     

     She's a close friend. We have lunch almost every week. So I hear her pain when she talks about her second son–he who graduated from college in May, is currently living home and earning his spending money by delivering pizza. It isn't the pizza that bothers her so much as his seeming inertia about applying for career-type jobs. For all she knows, he is sending out his resume and just refuses to discuss it with either her or his father. But she sees little action and wonders if kicking him out of the house would force him to take job-hunting action. The dad has talked to his son about job hunting but has learned little more about what the son is up to than the mom. He suspects his son is stuck in a procrastination bind, that he just can't seem to get going.

    I thought of my friends and their son when Carl Pickhardt's newsletter on adolescence and procrastination arrived in my email queue. Pickhardt talks about how adolescents tend to make it a practice to put off tasks they don't want to do, but that the objectives of such procrastination shift from stage to stage of growing up. So what does it mean when they graduate from adolescence into "emerging adulthood" (ages 18-23)?

    Procrastination, Pickhardt suggests, may be used to avoid encountering the challenges that come with growing older. For some young people, he writes, it becomes a game of sorts: “How long can I put it off before I manage to pull it off?” That is, it can "scare up an emergency effort by waiting until it feels too late to delay any longer, or else."

    It isn't, of course, just teenagers or young adults who put off doing things. We all procrastinate sometimes, but 20 percent of people chronically avoid difficult tasks and deliberately look for distractions–as do 70 percent of college students, according to psychologists and researchers Timothy Pychyl  and Joseph Ferrari. "Procrastination in large part reflects our perennial struggle with self-control as well as our inability to accurately predict how we'll feel tomorrow, or the next day," Pychyl writes on Psychology Today's Web page. "Procrastinators may say they perform better under pressure, but more often than not that's their way of justifying putting things off."

    Pychyl suggests that some procrastinators attempt to avoid the anxiety or worry aroused by a tough task with activities aimed at repairing their mood, such as checking Facebook or taking a nap. Unfortunately, the pattern of "giving in to feel good" ends up making them feel worse–especially when a deadline is missed.

    All of which dovetails with observed behavior of my friend's son (who just missed a deadline for a grad school application)–and many emerging adults.

    Pickhardt's approach of encouraging a young adult to timely action is to point out, "Promptness proves a surer path to freedom than procrastination."  Pychyl advises the way to move forward is to "just get started, and make the threshold for getting started quite low."

    Charles Dickens had some advice as well. Wilkins Micawber (in “David Copperfield”) exhorts those who would delay this way: “My advice is, never do tomorrow what you can do today. Procrastination is the thief of time. Collar him!”

    Just don't try to do it on Facebook.

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    A friend's daughter is engaged. Joy to her world. She loves the guy her daughter will be marrying–a young man her daughter has been with for the past five years, the man she moved with post-grad from the east coast to west, then back east for grad school and now south for a new job. The wedding, scheduled for November, has been in the planning-works for several months now and my friend is wondering when she's going to have to start "doing stuff," wedding-wise. She's even put that question to her daughter.

    This is not going to be a home-town wedding. The couple–both in their early 30s–are getting married in the southeast town where they went to grad school. That's where most of their good friends are and it's a picturesque town that reflects the couple's values.

    My friend isn't complaining. She doesn't feel left out–her daughter keeps her up-to-date on plans as they progress: the place they've rented–a big barn on a farm; the bridesmaid dress colors she's thinking about. But it's the couple–not the mom and dad–who are making the choices and decisions. The parents are chipping in a defined amount of money but other than that, their role is small so far. The mother of the bride, an art director at a magazine, is helping out by reviewing photographer portfolios and giving her daughter a short list of the best of the bunch. But other than that, she and the dad just listen to plans as they evolve.

    Does she feel badly about this? Not really. She's working full time and has never been a person who has lived for the day when she would plan her daughter's wedding. Besides, the daughter is 30, living 500 miles away and fully capable of taking charge. It is, in fact, her and her fiance's adventure together. 

    And that's the point. When our children marry young–early 20s would be young for this generation–we probably have a bigger role to play in wedding plans, especially if our daughters choose to marry in their hometown and we're cast in the role of active hosts. But once they've reached a certain age, they're mature enough to figure things out. They don't really need wedding-planner mom. And if they're living and marrying elsewhere, well, it's their party. (Of course, if we the parents are picking up the tab and the budget is unlimited–well,that's a whole other issue.)

    Here's what I learned from hearing about my friend and her daughter's marriage plans: The key to familial happiness is inclusion–not being in charge.

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     

    This past November, I offered Alpha Daughter a holiday present: Would she and her family like airline tickets to come home for the Holidays–to our house in a leafy suburb where she grew up. It was not a small offer. Her family (herself, my Grand, my son-in-law and grandpup) is living in Berlin for a year. I advanced my idea on the theory that they might be lonely spending the holiday break so far from home. They had "friends" in Berlin–they've been living in the city for four months–but not "spend the holidays with us" friends. Besides, most of their friends and acquaintances would be scattering to their parents' homes in other cities in Germany and Europe.

    That's what I was thinking when I asked if she would like three flights home as a Holiday present. She thought about it for a minute–"We'd have to find someone to take care of the dog"–and then said "I do."

    And so it was that Paterfamilias drove to the airport at 4:30 on Christmas day to  pick up the little contingent of travelers–everyone but the dog, for whom a temporary home had been found. The minute they stepped through the front door, it was clear how much the trip meant to my Grand, who is 11 years old. Turns out, she sees our house as a second home: no matter where she and her parents live–in some city or country far from us–there's always the same house in the same leafy suburb where she knows the best nooks for reading and the crannies where she can sit when she wants to be alone. She knows the dogs in the neighborhood and runs out to greet them when she sees them from our kitchen window.

    We were a happy reunited family, hunkered down in the living room in front of the fireplace, every throw blanket in the house wrapped around someone. We read by the fire, we watched Runway reruns on a laptop, we talked, we exchanged gifts, we had lovely meals. By the second or third day in, all the travelers came down with colds–such are the joys of international flight–which meant they tended to stay inside to nurse their sore throats and stuffy noses.

    Which was fine for me since there is one point I've left out. My own personal holiday gift was a new hip to match the one I got last year. It arrived in mid-December. I knew from the "unwrapping" of a new hip last year how time hangs heavy when you're sitting around recuperating. So having my daughter and her family at our house–to enjoy their company, to have her supplement the care provided by PF [post-shower lotion rubs on the feet], to be able to talk about all things big and little–was, as Sarah Silverman might say, beyond beyond. My daughter helped me figure out a yoga routine I could do seated in the kitchen chair. She talked about the projects she was working on. We talked about families we were once friendly with–and what a burden it had been for her to have to be with their children–and about other friends and family. My Grand ate up every bit of chitchat about people who had once loomed large in her mother's life–and how her mother had suffered through enforced socializing just as she did with some of her parents' friends. We lit candles to toast in the New Year. My recuperatory time didn't just fly by. It was time well and delightfully spent.

    The gift I gave my daughter? I knew when I offered it that I wasn't being all that generous. It was mostly a gift to myself. Best one ever.

     

     

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