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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Child rearing's goal is simple: Our once-dependent infants are weaned and otherwise taught to stand on their own feet. We can pat ourselves on the back if our kids are launched into the world as independent adults. Oh they can still call home to whine if things aren't going well. Parents are a safe place and wise head. So long as they don't look to us to take over and solve their problems, they're independent. Congratulations.

    But it's not easy to feel good about it. At least not at first. In his web page on adolescence, psychologist Carl Pickhardt addresses some of the emotional trials parents face as their adolescent kids move into and through what he calls "trailing independence"–an age range he pegs at 18 to 23. Specifically he writes about why we feel sadness when the kids move out and on and operate independently of parents, family, and home. "This is the last letting go in the process of Detachment Parenting of adolescents," he writes, "and it can feel very hard to do – forsaking the old management role, the sense of purpose, the accustomed authority, and the daily association."

    He writes that "the last battle between holding on and letting go is not just between parent and adolescent, but agonizingly unfolds within the parents themselves. For a while the empty nest can result in the empty parent."

    Pickhardt points to three D's of pain — why we feel a loss rather than joy when our kids successfully launch.

    –First, we're Dethroned. We've lost ruling influence over decisions our kids make.

    –Second, we are at more of a Distance. Socially and geographically our kids are moving away as they focus –appropriately– on building a new life.

    –Third, we are Demoted. Our kids are creating a new system of relationships that they give a higher immediate priority than attending to us.

    Here's Pickhardt's killer app–as in adaptation–to the three Ds:

    "What is extremely important for parents to understand about the dethronement, distance, and demotion …is that this change does NOT mean they are less loved; they are only less necessary."

    "To a degree," he continues, "the return for their self-sacrificial investment in parenting an adolescent to independence is this sweet sadness of success, just as once upon a long time ago the little girl or boy’s entry into adolescence caused parents to give up the precious childhood time together they would never have again. The great hardship of Detachment Parenting is enduring loss from letting go."

    Or as my friend Dick put it: "My kids are independent. Damn it."

     

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    A few years ago–before my Grands had the opportunity to travel or live abroad–I would spend half an hour at the end of a travel-abroad day tapping out an email to them. I wrote about what Paterfamilias and I saw or did in the far-away country–Argentina, Vietnam–we were visiting. The email went to our grown children's accounts but they dutifully read the reports aloud to the kids. It felt good to play a small part in opening up the world to them and for us to think about what we saw and did that would amuse or interest a child. We were pretty pleased with ourselves.

    A friend's new book, Dear Class: Traveling Around the World with Mrs. J, has taken sharing to a whole 'nother level.

    The book, by Jane Stein, is about the around-the-world trip Jane's mother took in 1963 when she was a recently divorced teacher with a newly empty nest. She made  stops in Burma (when it was called that), Turkey, Taiwan, and Japan among other countries. Jane used her mother's travel diaries to craft the material into letters, used side-bars to update the information (China was closed to Jane's mother and all U.S. citizens at the time Mrs. J traveled) and added child-friendly information to create her book. There are tidbits on foods to cook, art projects to make (such as a Rangoli, the colorful geometric designs painted in front of houses in India as a sign of welcome) and details about snake charmers (India) and evil eye beads (Turkey), so called because they looked like eyeballs.

    Dear Class is an adventure story (I'm reader-testing it on my Grands), and I wondered what it was like for Jane to pass her mother's travel legacy on to her grown children. Here's what she said in answer to that question:

    After my mother died–at 90–I found the travel diaries in a box in her closet. At first I thought I would save the box for my grandchildren and let them deal with it–even though I didn't have grandchildren at the time. But when I started to read them, I could hear her speaking. I decided to re-craft the logs into letters that captured her voice. Working on it re-acquainted me with her in a funny way. How adventurous she was. In Turkey she stepped into what she thought was a shared taxi only to find it was a car filled with soccer players heading home from a practice; they cheerfully dropped her off at her hotel. In Taiwan she walked around the streets of Tapei at night. The streets were so gaily lit and crowded that she said she felt like she was at a giant party.

    My children were out of college and married when my mother died, so they remember her well. They loved the letters. When I told them that a book agent had suggested I re-set the story in the present time, not in the 1960s when my mother went around the world on her own, they wanted to keep it set in the original time just as I did. They felt a certain proprietariness. The book became a special bond between us.

    I would love to have had my mother see the book. I can hear her say, "You're writing a book about me?" It was a lot of fun to reconnect with her and go on this adventure with her.

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     

    Years ago, when one of my children got engaged, the phone rang the next morning. "Am I calling too early?" It was my child's future mother-in-law–a woman I didn't know who lived in a city far from ours. She was full of excitement about the happiness she foresaw for her child and mine. She wasn't quite right (that marriage didn't work out) but I still remember how wondrous her enthusiasm was and how happy it made me feel that she was so thrilled to have my child become part of her family.

    I thought of that moment when a friend told me her story. When her 20-something son, who lives in the Midwest, got engaged, she and her husband found out just minutes before their son's boyhood friends did. Within an hour, those friends "showed up at our doorstep with champagne for us," my friend Betsy says. And a suggestion. They wanted to have a party for the "old gang" and the parents of that gang–to celebrate the engagement and the inter-family friendships that had lasted for all those growing-up years. Betsy agreed. The party would be at her house but it would be casual and 'the boys" would take charge of emailing invitations.

    The engagement glow had barely worn off when Betsy got hit with this question: What about inviting the bride-to-be's parents? Betsy didn't know them, and they lived in another city hundreds of miles away. "It was hard for me to get my head around this," Betsy says. "Can't I have an informal party in my own house with my old friends?"

    Evidently not. "I got off on the wrong foot with her parents," Betsy says. Since then, Betsy has immersed herself in the reading of many books about parental etiquette for weddings and engagements. What she learned from "the books" was that "I should have reached out to them. I should have sent her parents flowers."

    As to the wedding itself, her parents are doing a lot of the planning but they have not asked Betsy for advice. "I call and check in about the color of dress to wear, that kind of stuff. It' tricky when dealing with your son's in-laws-to-be. You don't want to compete with them. You don't want to do the wrong thing." But it's so easy to, well, stick your foot in the wedding cake.

     

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

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    They worry about their financial future. Their average age is 30, but saving for retirement also looms large among their fiscal worries. And who do our Millennial-aged grown children trust to provide them with information about these financial issues? Us. Thus spake a recent Fidelity Investments’ Millennial Money Study.

    While they say–72% of them anyway–that they have no problem broaching financial issues with us, most of them –67%–have not had detailed conversations with us about such important issues as estate planning, health and eldercare, and covering living expenses in retirement. As to what we might be leaving them when we pass on, 41% say they have not had any conversations at all with us about our will and estate planning.

    The survey is a follow-up to Fidelity's 2014 Intra-Family Generational Finance study, which was an online poll of U.S. parents and their adult children that looked at the levels of agreement between families on key financial topics. To be part of the survey, parents had to be at least 55 years of age, have an adult child older than 30 and have investable assets of at least $100,000. Children qualified if they were at least 30 years of age, had at least $10,000 in savings. The newer survey asks many of the same financial questions to and about Millennials. The Millennials in this study average 30 years of age. Just under half of them are married, have children as well as a 401 (k) style savings plan. As to their parents, one-third of us are retired.

    Some of the financial findings from the survey:

    They may trust us but 27% tell us nothing when it comes to money.

    The top three financial issues Millennials say they are tryingn to deal with include: accumulate more savings for retirement (52%), pay off credit card debt (41%), and pay off student loans (28%).

    Two-thirds think it is more acceptable now for children to move back home after college, and 32% say they are more financially dependent on their parents than their parents were at the same age.

    Nearly one-half of Millennials have received some kind of financial assistance from their parents at some point since leaving home. Topping the assistance list are cell phone bills, car insurance and groceries.

    You can see the survey in all its detail here: The Fidelity Investments Millennial Money Study: Facts

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

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    Try giving your post-grad daughter or your 15-year-old grandson a Roth IRA for their birthday, and you may find the 'thank you's' perfunctory at best. But a starter retirement plan like a Roth IRA–you open it for them and give it a funding boost–is a gift that keeps giving. If they follow through on it, it could be the road to making them a millionaire.

    At least that's what the projections are from the likes of Vanguard, the investment company, if they keep up the contributions. Vanguard sees the Roth IRA as the road to riches, millionaire style, if the plan is started early. Vanguard projections estimate that a 20-year-old investor who begins saving $200 per month in a Roth IRA, invested in a portfolio of 80% stocks and 20% bonds, would have about a 55% chance to accumulate over $1 million by age 65. On the other hand, if a 30-year-old investor follows the same program, the likelihood of being a millionaire drops to 14%. Why this works is the miracle of compounding–the process where investments make returns, and those returns make returns. The rule of 72 clicks in–that's where you take the rate of return you're making (such as an interest rate) and divide it into 72; that tells you how many years it will take for your money to double.

    The nifty thing about Roth IRA is that, should there be a financial emergency, the contributions to it (but not the earnings) can be withdrawn for any reason. (That would, of course, impact the millionaire scenario.)In the meantime, the account is generating earnings that can continue to compound.

    The Vanguard graph below shows how the wealth curve bends upward as time goes on (using the $200 a month from age 20 as an example) —especially as you get to 40 years and beyond. In this example, it takes 35 years for the median investor to get to half a million dollars. Then just 10 years for the next half-million. Then just 8 years to tack on another million.

    Median projected value for an IRA with a $200 monthly contribution*

    Median projected value for an IRA with a $200 monthly contribution

     

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     

    "I'm an adorer." This is my daughter's college roommate speaking–several years removed from her college days. We are having coffee together–she has come east for a conference and had some spare time. After running down the ages and genders of her three children, Paterfamilias asks her what kind of parent she is. With a half-guilty, semi-embarrassed smile, she gives the "adorer" answer.

    I know exactly what she's saying. I was too, I tell her. I thought my daughter [her roommate] was the jewel in the family crown and that our son was the most amusing person to ever walk, well, if not the earth, at least our small part of it. A friend–and I use that word advisedly–once told me that she and her family used to laugh (and not in a good way) about how I would gaze at my son when he talked and laugh so over-enthusiastically (in her opinion) at all his jokes.  Oh well. maybe she didn't find her kids as delightful as I found mine. Clearly, she wasn't an adorer.

    My point is that even if my delight in my children went overboard, it didn't hurt them then –and it doesn't hurt them now. I am still an adorer–of them and now of my grandchildren as well. (To my credit, if I am over the top on this, let the record show that I don't force tales of adorableness on friends.) Not that I don't have reality-check moments about my children, but I like to think that a parent who thinks her kids are the greatest may be blind but is also offering her kids a solid base to grow on. They can graduate from my home to a life lived independent of me and know that someone out there–someone who knows their messy habits and teeny tiny temper tantrums–thinks they are wonderful.

    So adore on, I tell my daughter's roommate. There's nothing to feel embarrassed about.

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

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    Our son has packed up his family of five and moved them to London for three months. They are living in a sweet little house in a leafy neighborhood. They can walk to several parks. They've played Scrabble at a nearby pub, climbed Primose Hill and visited Bath–spending some time at Farleigh Hungerford Castle. The two eldest kids have kicked the soccer ball in North London near Wembly and are trying out for youth football teams there.

    We don't know this because our son,  daughter-in-law or any of the kids have emailed, texted, Skyped or cell-phoned to tell us so. In fact, there's been very little personal interchange. We know what we know from the Facebook posts, photos and lengthy caption descriptions–down to their visit to Bath and their delight in a tour of the 4th century Roman baths –that are on our son's Facebook page and on a Shutterfly account he set up.

    Even though it's informative, the means of communication feels impersonal . We don't know what the 6-year-old thought about the walking tour of Medieval London or how the 11- and 13-year-olds assess the football/soccer played by Londoners their age. Or how the home-schooling is going. We know what they're doing, and we can see by the sweaters they're wearing that it's a lot chillier in London than it is here, but that's it.

    It isn't the same as keeping in touch by Skype or Google Chat–something we did regularly with our daughter and her family when they lived in Berlin for a year. Clearly, three months is not a year, so there isn't the same need. Still, we wouldn't mind the chance to sit in their kitchen–virtually, as we did in our daughter's Berlin apartment–and chat about this and that.

    We shouldn't complain. We're part of a general (albeit select) audience. This is how information is shared in the digital age.

    We're not alone in our social media half-life. In answer to reader-parents who wanted to know what to do about the online means their son uses to inform them (and everyone else) about his activities, Philip Galanes, the New York Time's Social Qs columnist, suggested this: "Find a way to stop feeling slighted by your son's use of social media. It is not about you….Think of your son as a newfangled memorist. That's what his blog and social media posts are aiming for. And read them. What better way to show him that you're interested in his life."

    We're heeding that advice and staying au courant. We're also solving our personal communication issue the old-fashioned way. We're cashing in our frequent flyer miles for a week-long visit across the pond. Nothing social media about that.

     

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

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                One of the breakthroughs of Obamacare is our ability to put our college- and post-college-age kids on our health insurance. No more hunting down an affordable individual policy for them that will see them through a medical emergency. Once you've got them covered under your coverage, they can stay insured until they're 26–even if they get married
     
    So far, so good. But a friend pointed out a little flaw in that coverage. You may get the paperwork and a bill for a visit your 20-year-old paid to a doctor but you may have no idea what health issue your son or daughter was addressing. Your grown child may have been to see an orthopedist, family doctor, Ob/GYN or psychiatrist. You may be worried about what the visit was all about, but short of directly asking your progeny 'wassup?', you can't find out.
     
    Under the health privacy rules of HIPAA, you would need their signed authorization for the doctor to hand over any information.
     
    Maybe that's as it should be. But there's a crucial reason to have that authorization in hand. If your son or daughter has a medical emergency that lands them in an emergency room, you can't get information from the nurses or doctors on the case.They are not permitted to disclose details to parents about the medical condition of a child who's older than 18. Or as one attorney put it, “Once a child turns 18, the child is legally a stranger to you.” That is, you have no more right to that information than you would to details about the treatment or condition of a stranger–even though you're paying the tab.

    The way around the issue is to have grown children sign a HIPAA authorization form. It allows health care providers to disclose a person's health information to anyone specified in the form. Your child can also stipulate that certain information is out of bounds. So they can still keep you from learning about medical issues that touch on sex, drugs and other personal stuff. But you'll be in a position to be there for them in a real emergency.

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     

    I have just come from having dinner with a woman involved in an academic program for health technicians. She has just finished telling me how stunned she is when parents drop by to complain about or protest the grade or other assessment their grown child has received. My dinner companion is a woman who also makes some hiring decisions and recommendations for them. When presented with a helicoptering incident, she says she makes a mental black mark that here is a student who may lack the independence to function in the workplace.

    She isn't saying the helicoptering behavior is pervasive–just that she sees an increasing amount of it. Having heard of even worse interventions–parents sitting in the waiting room while a child is interviewed for a job; going into the interview with their child–I am not all that surprised.

    I was more surprised when I awoke the next morning to a story on a Washington Post blog that questioned whether the hyped stories about overprotective helicoptering parents match the reality. There followed a blog post by Alfie Kohn (www.alfiekohn.org), whose most recent book is The Myth of the Spoiled Child: Challenging the Conventional Wisdom About Children and Parenting.

    Wherever you fall in the debate over overly protective parents, here are some excerpts from Kohn's post–with links to his research–that apply to the parenting of grown children.

    On intervening during the college years:

    –"Yes, most parents are in touch with their college-age children on a regular basis. But communicating isn’t the same thing as intervening on a child’s behalf, and the latter seems to be fairly rare. The National Survey of Student Engagement (NSSE), which reached out to more than 9,000 students at 24 colleges and universities, found that only 13 percent of college freshmen and 8 percent of seniors said a parent had frequently intervened to help them solve problems."

    On intervening in the workplace:

    –"Michigan State University researchers found that 77 percent of the 725 employers they surveyed 'hardly ever witnessed a parent while hiring a college senior.' "

    On intervening in a grown child's life outside of college and the workplace

    –"The only study on the topic I could find, published in 2012, reported that just one in five or six parents seemed to be intensely involved in their children’s lives."

    The effects of helicopter parenting [HP] on adult children

    –"Three small studies have raised concerns about the more extreme versions of HP, connecting it to anxiety or a lower sense of well-being. … the items on these questionnaires were mostly tapping how controlling the parents were. If the problem is control rather than indulgence, that forces us to rethink the “coddled kids” narrative offered by many critics of HP."

    –"It’s not clear that HP caused the problems with which it was associated. The researchers in one study acknowledged that unhappy students “may view their parents as more intrusive.” Those in another admitted that “when parents perceive their child as depressed, they may be more likely to ‘hover.’” In other words, pre-existing unhappiness may have drawn the parents in, or it may have led the students to interpret their parents’ actions as excessive. 

    –Other research makes the "case in favor of parents’ being actively connected and involved with their young-adult children. The NSSE survey didn’t find a lot of HP going on, but students who did have such parents reported 'higher levels of [academic] engagement and more frequent use of deep learning activities.' In fact, children of helicopter parents were more satisfied with every aspect of their college experience."

    –"Support (not limited to money) from one’s parents may be helpful, if not critical, when students graduate with a crushing load of debt."

    — "Most developmental psychologists have concluded that the quality of relationships, including those with one’s parents, continues to matter even past childhood. Good parenting is less about pushing one’s offspring to be independent at a certain age than being responsive to what a particular child needs.

    –"Independence is closely connected to an individualistic worldview that is far from universal. Some cultures are more likely to emphasize the value of interdependence.   And the cultural bias that seems to fuel condemnations of HP has a very real impact on students’ well-being. A fascinating series of studies published in 2012 by a multi-university research team revealed that “predominantly middle-class cultural norms of independence” are particularly ill-suited for young adults who are the first in their families to attend college."

     

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     

    "No one says Thank You." That is my friend Lily's complaint as the first few weeks of a six-week visit–by her daughter and her family–unfurl. Her daughter, who lives half a world away in Jakarta, was here on an extended business trip, 7-year-old son in tow. While Lily's daughter went to work, Lily entertained her grandson. Two weeks later, her son-in-law arrived with the 5-year-old granddaughter. While he took care of errands and family business, Lily took care of both grand kids, stocked the fridge, made the meals, kept the house in order, invited her other daughter and her family over for get-togethers–and put her own life and activities on hold.

    Six weeks is a long visit–and exhausting for everyone, visitor and host alike. Midway through the visit, a small irritant led to a venting of frustrations. Lily's daughter let her mother know all the things that were bothering her about the visit and the relationship between Lily and the other grandchildren. For her part, Lily let her daughter know how under-appreciated she felt. That ticked her daughter off even more. She told her mother that the visit was of great inconvenience to her husband. He had to use up vacation time from his job in order to bring Lily's granddaughter here for a visit with Lily. Now he wouldn't be able to take time off during the Christmas holidays for a family vacation.

    What do you do when your grown child not only doesn't thank you for taking care of her and her family–at some cost to you (Lily was unable to keep up with many of her out-of-the-home responsibilities and activities) –but adds a guilt trip?

    Sometimes it's hard to tell whether the outburst is about the visit or a rehashing of sibling rivalry ["You favor my sister's children over mine!"], the dislocation of being away from home [favorite foods or toys are unavailable] or the airing of real grievances. Longer visits present more time, opportunity and memory jolts to bring up unpleasant or unresolved family disputes.

    Lily chose to put out the fire. She apologized to her son-in-law for the inconvenience and thanked him for the trade-off he had to make. By the time he left for a two week visit with his parents on the West Coast–taking his two children with him (Lily, it seems, was not the only one to blame for loss of vacation over grandchild visitation), Lily found her relationship with her daughter had greatly improved. The last two weeks of the visit fell into a pleasant rhythm. With the son-in-law and grandchildren away, Lily was able to get back to most of her activities while her daughter commuted to work. That didn't mean Lily wasn't relieved and happy to see her daughter's family board the plane back to Jakarta. 

    The good news? Lily says friends no longer complain to her about their exhaustion after a three-day family visit. She survived a six week stint.