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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

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                One of the breakthroughs of Obamacare is our ability to put our college- and post-college-age kids on our health insurance. No more hunting down an affordable individual policy for them that will see them through a medical emergency. Once you've got them covered under your coverage, they can stay insured until they're 26–even if they get married
     
    So far, so good. But a friend pointed out a little flaw in that coverage. You may get the paperwork and a bill for a visit your 20-year-old paid to a doctor but you may have no idea what health issue your son or daughter was addressing. Your grown child may have been to see an orthopedist, family doctor, Ob/GYN or psychiatrist. You may be worried about what the visit was all about, but short of directly asking your progeny 'wassup?', you can't find out.
     
    Under the health privacy rules of HIPAA, you would need their signed authorization for the doctor to hand over any information.
     
    Maybe that's as it should be. But there's a crucial reason to have that authorization in hand. If your son or daughter has a medical emergency that lands them in an emergency room, you can't get information from the nurses or doctors on the case.They are not permitted to disclose details to parents about the medical condition of a child who's older than 18. Or as one attorney put it, “Once a child turns 18, the child is legally a stranger to you.” That is, you have no more right to that information than you would to details about the treatment or condition of a stranger–even though you're paying the tab.

    The way around the issue is to have grown children sign a HIPAA authorization form. It allows health care providers to disclose a person's health information to anyone specified in the form. Your child can also stipulate that certain information is out of bounds. So they can still keep you from learning about medical issues that touch on sex, drugs and other personal stuff. But you'll be in a position to be there for them in a real emergency.

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     

    I have just come from having dinner with a woman involved in an academic program for health technicians. She has just finished telling me how stunned she is when parents drop by to complain about or protest the grade or other assessment their grown child has received. My dinner companion is a woman who also makes some hiring decisions and recommendations for them. When presented with a helicoptering incident, she says she makes a mental black mark that here is a student who may lack the independence to function in the workplace.

    She isn't saying the helicoptering behavior is pervasive–just that she sees an increasing amount of it. Having heard of even worse interventions–parents sitting in the waiting room while a child is interviewed for a job; going into the interview with their child–I am not all that surprised.

    I was more surprised when I awoke the next morning to a story on a Washington Post blog that questioned whether the hyped stories about overprotective helicoptering parents match the reality. There followed a blog post by Alfie Kohn (www.alfiekohn.org), whose most recent book is The Myth of the Spoiled Child: Challenging the Conventional Wisdom About Children and Parenting.

    Wherever you fall in the debate over overly protective parents, here are some excerpts from Kohn's post–with links to his research–that apply to the parenting of grown children.

    On intervening during the college years:

    –"Yes, most parents are in touch with their college-age children on a regular basis. But communicating isn’t the same thing as intervening on a child’s behalf, and the latter seems to be fairly rare. The National Survey of Student Engagement (NSSE), which reached out to more than 9,000 students at 24 colleges and universities, found that only 13 percent of college freshmen and 8 percent of seniors said a parent had frequently intervened to help them solve problems."

    On intervening in the workplace:

    –"Michigan State University researchers found that 77 percent of the 725 employers they surveyed 'hardly ever witnessed a parent while hiring a college senior.' "

    On intervening in a grown child's life outside of college and the workplace

    –"The only study on the topic I could find, published in 2012, reported that just one in five or six parents seemed to be intensely involved in their children’s lives."

    The effects of helicopter parenting [HP] on adult children

    –"Three small studies have raised concerns about the more extreme versions of HP, connecting it to anxiety or a lower sense of well-being. … the items on these questionnaires were mostly tapping how controlling the parents were. If the problem is control rather than indulgence, that forces us to rethink the “coddled kids” narrative offered by many critics of HP."

    –"It’s not clear that HP caused the problems with which it was associated. The researchers in one study acknowledged that unhappy students “may view their parents as more intrusive.” Those in another admitted that “when parents perceive their child as depressed, they may be more likely to ‘hover.’” In other words, pre-existing unhappiness may have drawn the parents in, or it may have led the students to interpret their parents’ actions as excessive. 

    –Other research makes the "case in favor of parents’ being actively connected and involved with their young-adult children. The NSSE survey didn’t find a lot of HP going on, but students who did have such parents reported 'higher levels of [academic] engagement and more frequent use of deep learning activities.' In fact, children of helicopter parents were more satisfied with every aspect of their college experience."

    –"Support (not limited to money) from one’s parents may be helpful, if not critical, when students graduate with a crushing load of debt."

    — "Most developmental psychologists have concluded that the quality of relationships, including those with one’s parents, continues to matter even past childhood. Good parenting is less about pushing one’s offspring to be independent at a certain age than being responsive to what a particular child needs.

    –"Independence is closely connected to an individualistic worldview that is far from universal. Some cultures are more likely to emphasize the value of interdependence.   And the cultural bias that seems to fuel condemnations of HP has a very real impact on students’ well-being. A fascinating series of studies published in 2012 by a multi-university research team revealed that “predominantly middle-class cultural norms of independence” are particularly ill-suited for young adults who are the first in their families to attend college."

     

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     

    "No one says Thank You." That is my friend Lily's complaint as the first few weeks of a six-week visit–by her daughter and her family–unfurl. Her daughter, who lives half a world away in Jakarta, was here on an extended business trip, 7-year-old son in tow. While Lily's daughter went to work, Lily entertained her grandson. Two weeks later, her son-in-law arrived with the 5-year-old granddaughter. While he took care of errands and family business, Lily took care of both grand kids, stocked the fridge, made the meals, kept the house in order, invited her other daughter and her family over for get-togethers–and put her own life and activities on hold.

    Six weeks is a long visit–and exhausting for everyone, visitor and host alike. Midway through the visit, a small irritant led to a venting of frustrations. Lily's daughter let her mother know all the things that were bothering her about the visit and the relationship between Lily and the other grandchildren. For her part, Lily let her daughter know how under-appreciated she felt. That ticked her daughter off even more. She told her mother that the visit was of great inconvenience to her husband. He had to use up vacation time from his job in order to bring Lily's granddaughter here for a visit with Lily. Now he wouldn't be able to take time off during the Christmas holidays for a family vacation.

    What do you do when your grown child not only doesn't thank you for taking care of her and her family–at some cost to you (Lily was unable to keep up with many of her out-of-the-home responsibilities and activities) –but adds a guilt trip?

    Sometimes it's hard to tell whether the outburst is about the visit or a rehashing of sibling rivalry ["You favor my sister's children over mine!"], the dislocation of being away from home [favorite foods or toys are unavailable] or the airing of real grievances. Longer visits present more time, opportunity and memory jolts to bring up unpleasant or unresolved family disputes.

    Lily chose to put out the fire. She apologized to her son-in-law for the inconvenience and thanked him for the trade-off he had to make. By the time he left for a two week visit with his parents on the West Coast–taking his two children with him (Lily, it seems, was not the only one to blame for loss of vacation over grandchild visitation), Lily found her relationship with her daughter had greatly improved. The last two weeks of the visit fell into a pleasant rhythm. With the son-in-law and grandchildren away, Lily was able to get back to most of her activities while her daughter commuted to work. That didn't mean Lily wasn't relieved and happy to see her daughter's family board the plane back to Jakarta. 

    The good news? Lily says friends no longer complain to her about their exhaustion after a three-day family visit. She survived a six week stint.

     

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

      Think our millennial kids can manage without our help? Think again. While most of us grew up in families where we fended for ourselves after we graduated from college–paid our rent, bought our food and clothes–times have changed. Not just here. In the U.K. as well. There, a survey finds that the bank of mum and dad has expanded its base to include the repository of Nan and Grandad as well.

    Here in the U.S., a recent survey at VibrantNation.com found that 84 percent of those polled said they cover more costs and expenses for their grown kids than their parents did for them.  Half report they spend more than $5,000 a year on their adult children's expenses. In this connected and digitized world, they are contributing toward more than the rent or the groceries.

    Here's what we boomer moms and dads report we are paying for (for our college and post-college kids): 

    59 percent are paying for the adult child’s cell phone (a percentage that doesn’t decline as the child reaches age 30).

     
    53 percent are picking up the tab for insurance.
     
    39 percent are covering their adult child’s rent
     
    38 percent take care of travel costs (and this does not include travel to and from school)
     
    36 percent are paying for clothing.
     
    33 percent help out with cars and computers.
     
    24 percent provide money for home furnishings.
     
    According to the survey, we are also called in for advice on key purchasing decisions:
     
    42 percent for financial services advice
     
    40 percent on insurance
     
    39 percent about what car to buy
     
    34 percent about food and recipes (20-somethings in the supermarket are more likely to call parents for advice than their friends.)
     
    31 percent ask for help on appliance purchases
     
    14 percent even ask for advice about buying technology
     

    In the U.K., a survey looked at help young adults were getting on education costs. A Saga Savings poll found that more than a third of Britain’s estimated 11.8 million grandparents have funded, or are planning to help fund, their grandchildren’s studies–to the tune, on average, of nearly £4,000 [around $6,600].

    That's a good deal more than grandparents said they were saving and contributing to university costs five years’ ago. Then the total pledged was a £1,000 [$1,660]. Tuition there is roughly one-half to one-third of here.

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    On vacation this summer, we are invited by Uber son and family to join them at their condo for dinner. They've spent their day doing things they love to do–skipping rocks down at the creek, picking wild berries from bushes and swimming in the pool. Paterfamilias and I, ensconsed in a nearby hotel, had walked a hiking trail and been to town to check out the crafts scene.

    This particular evening, my daughter-in-law and my grandson had just gotten back from a 3-hour mountain bike ride on trails in the foothills of the mountain. It had been a challenging, adrenalin-rush ride; they were both exhilarated by the adventure.

    It was all we talked about at dinner: the rocks, tree roots, sudden twists in the trail, sharp uphills, scraped elbows. Tales of other rides by other mountain-biking members of the family were relived and remembered–including some parental falls and pratfalls into or on top of bushes.

    Paterfamilias and I don't mountain-bike ride. We are road bicyclists. We tried to connect our experiences with theirs (the closeness of a fast-moving truck versus the challenge of knee-high tree roots) but that flopped. So did our attempts after a while to change the subject.

    That's when one of the realities of parenting adult children hit home: We are no longer in charge. Not even close. Of course, when our kids were young and growing up in our house or going on vacation with us, we ran the dinner-table conversation. Now when we're on their turf, our grown kids own the flow of conversation, and we don't necessarily know what it is or how it works. It isn't as though we're cut out of the conversation. We're welcome to join in, but it's sometimes hard to figure out how. PF and I often remind each other, 'We're no longer center stage; we're bit players now in our children's lives.' It's one thing to say it. It's another to feel it at the dinner table.

    On her blog, psychotherapist Kathy McCoy talks about re-framing the feelings of being on the side lines: Instead of feeling we are a bit player, we could see ourselves as having a front row seat. McCoy likes to quote her Aunt Molly on the changing family dynamic as we age: "We're welcome at the party, but the party isn't for us."

    Nor is leading the dinner conversation. If the table talk isn't to our liking or interest, tough luck. Feign interest. Try to connect. Listen for nuggets of insight. It's their turn.

    To be fair, the table talk isn't always devoted to mountain biking or its equivalent. One of Uber son's delights is in presenting complex math questions that take a healthy dose of logic to solve. The conversations that revolve around solving the questions are profound. I'm often stumped by them (lazy mind refusing to go to work) but I relish hearing how the two older Grands (5th and 7th graders) work their way toward an answer.

    The conversation on this particular vacation evening finally broadened out, thanks to our youngest Grand who does not yet ride a pedaling bike, no less forge through mountain trails. As we finished our chicken and corn and brought the farm-market peach pie to the table, she piped up: "Can't we talk about something else, like skiing?"

    We weren't the only ones having trouble connecting.

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    When I was young and someone's grandchild, savings bonds were a gift I got to commemorate birthdays, graduations and other major events. The bonds weren't large in terms of denomination but the US. Treasury bills were loaded with meaning for my immigrant forbears. For me, the heavy-ish feel of the paper and official look of the bonds made them special and made me feel very grown up.

    Paterfamilias and I have strayed from that tradition for our Grands–we're more into loading up 529s–but lots of people like the physicality of a savings bond and the meaning a US Treasury bond implies. With the U.S. Treasury going digital, though, it is getting more complicated to tuck a savings bond into a "Happy Birthday" card and send it off to a grandchild.

    Two years ago, the federal government pretty much eliminated paper savings bonds. Before, if we had wanted to give a savings bond as a gift for a Grand's birthday, we would have done it the old-fashioned way: made our way to our bank and filled out a form to buy the bonds, which would then be mailed to us. We could then slip them into a card or package and give our gift. But now, it's all digital. We and the Grand we're gifting must each set up special online accounts–and we'll need our Grand's Social Security number in the bargain.

    So it's easier in a way–no more trip to the bank.  But more complicated,especially for those not comfortable doing financial transactions via the Internet.

    The Treasury Department considers digital bonds more secure: With no paper to keep track of, there’s no risk of losing them and having to have them reissued.

    Demand for savings bonds had declined even before the switch away from paper, partly because of low interest rates for the past few years. But should those rates rise, be prepared to operate digitally if you want to give your Grand a safe and sound investment in the future of the country. Once the online accounts have been set up–yours and theirs (which, if they are under 18 years of age, a parent or guardian must establish in his or her own name and set up a linked account for a minor)–you buy the bond online and transfer it to them online. You can then print out a paper gift certificate as something tangible to tuck into a birthday or graduation card. But the hefty feel of that T-gift paper: Gone for good.

     

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    There's nothing more discouraging than to be vacationing with or visiting a grown child and his or her family only to find everyone glued to a smart phone, tablet, laptop, netbook or gameboy. There's hardly any acknowledgement that you've arrived, and if there is, it's to let you know they are in mid-game or mid-text or mid-thumb activity.

       

    My theory on vacation is that it's their vacation, too, and if that's what gives them pleasure and relaxation, live and let live. But as an everyday diet, it's hard to accept the way the iWorld is full of exclusionary devices that inhibit socializing.It's a national phenomenon: Children between the ages of 8 and 10 average eight hours a day in front of a screen; teens clock in at around 11 hours. I don't even want to know the numbers for the 2- to 6-year old set.

    In our family, we are fairly fortunate. Our grown kids aren't addicted to devices themselves and they have set limits on screen time for their children–that includes TV among the screens. The limits apply on vacations as well. What's the point in being in Vermont where the sun shines on the mountain brooks and trees shade the hiking trails if you're not out there to experience it?

    But when parents don't set limits–or the limits are so loose they may as well not be there–can the grandparents step in? On her Web site on grandparenting, Susan Adcox addressed the grandparenting role in screen time, suggesting ways for us to set limits even if the parents don't.

    She says it "quite acceptable" for grandparents to have rules about the use of electronic devices in their homes. Among the steps she says grandparents could consider when grandkids are coming to your house for a visit:

    –Prepare your house. Turn off the TV, shut down the computers and tablets and put the phone on vibrate. "Then don't cheat. Children are smart. If you say you're checking email and you're really checking your Facebook, they'll figure it out."

    –Ban media at mealtimes and bedtime. "If you're lucky enough to have spare bedrooms or a playroom for the grandkids, keep them media-free as much as is practical."

    –Have lots of alternative things to do: games and activities such as exploring nature or cooking together.

    She also has some strategic "don'ts":

    –Don't ban electronics altogether. "It's a battle that you're likely to lose." Besides, at times electronic devices are valuable to have around–such as when you're driving them somewhere or you need a few quiet moments to yourself.

    –Don't nag your teen grandchildren about their electronic habits. "It's counter-productive to make remarks such as, "Don't you ever get tired of staring at that phone?" (Clearly, the answer is no.)"

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

     Cell phones are ubiquitous in our lives–so much so that it's hard to remember when they weren't. When it comes to our grown children, they keep us in closer touch with the blips and bumps in their everyday lives, even when they live far away. Instead of talking to them on a land line at their apartment once or twice a week, we're apt to chat them up once or twice a day wherever they may be.

    But cell phones may have ramifications for us when our grown children take up with a significant other–when they move in together, get engaged, marry. Both will have cell phones and that, in effect, may limit who you talk to and how you develop a relationship with the new son- or daughter-in-law.

    A friend remembers back to the day when her in-laws or parents used to call. She and her husband would both get on the phone and talk to them. That put her in touch with her mother- and father-in-law when they were on the phone. Her husband connected to her parents when they called. Sometimes his parents would call and she would pick up the phone. Or vice versa. Now, her son, who just got married, has his cell phone; so does his spouse. They don't have a land line. When my friend calls her son, she gets her son–and never her daughter-in-law.   

    Skype can put the two of them together, but even the Skype calls come up on only one of their laptops or smart phones–and they may not be at home or even within shouting distance of each other. And then there's called ID. If we call out child's new bride or groom and they don't pick up our call, is their phone on mute or are they tuning us out? Or would they prefer a text to a call?

    Adjusting our traditional lives to the disruptions of technology is not easy.

    A PEW study reports that 91 percent of American adults own cell phones and use them for much more than phone calls. In PEW's most recent nationally representative survey, researchers checked in on some of the most popular activities people perform on their cell phones. It makes it clear that smart phones aren't going away and that we need to figure out how to use them to stay in touch with new members to our family.

    Here are PEW's findings:

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    A while ago, I wrote about a personal embarrassment in child rearing. My son–to my daughter-in-laws dismay–has grown up to be a laundry slob. Not only doesn't he do his own laundry, he doesn't even manage to hit the laundry basket when he casts off his worn-all-day socks, tee shirts and other close-to-the-body apparel. She has called him on it–he being the author of a book that deals with managing behavior techniques–and, using his managerial terminology, challenged him to do better. When she and I had a phone chat about his unacceptable laundry behavior, I had to admit to my son's wife that I was to blame–I had never come down hard on laundry or clean-up-your-room chores. There seemed more important issues to deal with.

    Now, it seems. I have met my polar opposite. Writing to Carolyn Hax, the mother of an otherwise exemplary 20-year old complained bitterly about her son's dirty sock habit–he left them anywhere and everywhere in the house and refused to do his share of an assortment of housekeeping chores. She wanted to know if she should evict him [he was home from college for the summer] over the issue.

    OMG. I read her tale of woe and felt even guiltier for my indulgent ways. What legacy had i left my daughter-in-law? I had not cracked down; had not evicted anyone and here my daughter-in-law was reaping my poor parenting.

    Carolyn Hax, the arbiter of what's best and worst in an approach to a problem, came down somewhere between the two extremes–tho closer to the letter writer's viewpoint. She suggested explaining to her son why the son's habit was so irritating (i.e., his failure to do his chores and his leaving of a mess meant other family members had to do more work and that wasn't fair) and to give him an ultimatum: turn things around or out you go. 

    When did things come to this? Fortunately, my DIL, annoyed tho she is about her husband's dirty laundry behavior, still sees the light side of it: an annoyance rather than a family crisis. She has not piled all his dirty laundry on the couch and told him to sleep there. 

     

     

     

     

     

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  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

      Some of us–I'm one of them–live far from our grown children. Visits to and with them entail an overnight stay of a day or two or more. Sounds like a grand get-away but it's rife with pitfalls: overstaying a visit, over helping, under helping, invading their privacy. The list goes on.

    Susan Adcox, who writes the grandparenting page for About.com, recently featured 10 tips on being a  long-distance grandparent visitor. Some of what applies to being a good Grandparent guest, applies to being an inobtrusive parental visitor when we're on our grown child's turf–whether or not small children are involved.

    Some of her pointed houseguest hints:

    Get pre-approval of dates you plan to visit and length of the visit.

    Let them know, before you arrive, if you plan to see friends, attend a business meeting or do something on your own. Not that you need their approval but to be sure your plans don't conflict with plans they may have made for your visit.

    Provide your own transportation if possible. As Susan puts it, "Parents with children and careers will appreciate not having to pick you up and chauffeur you around." A benefit for you: If you rent a car, you'll be able to get away–for a coffee, for a drive, for some needed quiet time.In our family, Paterfamilias cherishes a morning run for a cup of coffee at a nearby Starbucks–by himself or, by inivation only, with one grandchild.

    Check with your kids about staying in their home. Their apartment or house may be too small or cramped for overnight visitors. If you can afford it, a hotel room may be easier on everyone's nerves. 

    If you've got special needs–such as special foods–bring them with you. Don't expect them to be provided by your kids.
     
    Be neat about any space you use. Help with household tasks, but don't tackle any big cleaning or repair jobs unless asked. As Susan puts it, "To do so can be seen as implied criticism of the housekeeping standards of the household."

    Be sure to give them some privacy. Find a secluded spot in the house or by take a walk so that you're not privy to everything that's going on in the house or their lives all the time.

    You can read all of Susan's 10 tips here

     

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