PenPenWrites

parenting blog, memoir notes, family punchlines & more

© Penelope Lemov and Parenting Grown Children, 2025. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from this site’s author and/or owner is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given.

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Soaring-hawk-bird

    Many of us raised our children to be independent. Once they were adults, we wanted them to come to us for our advice, good counsel and, yes, the occasional handout. But in college, they would be on their own in dealing with professors and deans. In finding a job, we might prep them on how to put their best foot forward, but they would be on their own. Once on the job, they would figure out how to perform and to stand up for their rights and benefits. So I thought.

    I was misled. In a trend that's been picking up momentum, adult-child parenting is heading to a new and higher hover level. Parents are jumping in to complain to colleges about their child's grades or dorm situation and continuing that oversight into the work years.

    Let me trace some of this for you. Five years ago, NextAve ran this headline to a story:

    When Parents Go Too Far to Help Their Kids Land Jobs: Helicoptering has reached the workplace, with some moms and dads even going to their kids' interviews.

    Five years later, the hovering has moved from helping a child land a job to dealing with the nitty gritty of the work place. By way of example, a recent NYTimes article reports the findings of a former Stanford freshmen dean, Julie Lythcott-Haims, author of “How to Raise an Adult.”

    [O]fficials at Teach for America have been mystified in recent years by the volume of parents who intervene on behalf of their adult children, whom the group employs as teachers.

    A Teach for America administrator told Ms. Lythcott-Haims that parents had called him with complaints about such issues as their child’s being disciplined by a principal or having a run-in with a fellow teacher, as though the adult child were still a student.

    It isn't just Teach for America. Workplace blogger, Lee Caraher, wrote this recently about parental interplay with their adult child's job:

    What does this look like? Millennials’ parents joining their adult children at interviews; parents calling managers to lobby for better reviews or higher raises. Or parents actually doing the work for their adult children – which all unravels when the employee doesn’t have the luxury of time to participate or complete a task.

     When I mention this phenomenon to a friend who, as a parent, is a generation or two behind me, he tells me he knows such parents. He has friends, he says, "who seem to think they're still responsible. They don't feel the least bit guilty about intervening. We tell them, 'we think you're out of your  mind.'"

    Now comes this word. Companies are recognizing the phenomenon and accommodating it. Some are setting up newsletters so that parents can learn more about their child's workplace. A growing number of companies are hosting "Bring in your parents to work" days. Count LinkedIn and Google in that number as well as a number of small companies.

     Call me (and my friend) old-fashioned or out of touch with the current culture, but this doesn't seem like the road to independence–for our kids or us.

     

     

     

     

    Related articles

    Observations: A Stanford Dean on the effect of helicopter parenting on college students
    Parenting Grown Children: We are at our peril when we give advice they didn't ask for
  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Giving hand

    The headline is provocative: "Why I Am Giving My Children Their Inheritance Now." The NYTimes story was told in the first person by a man who said of his financial standing, "I know what wealthy is. And I know my wife and I are not." Nonetheless Paul Brown, an occasional columnist for the NYTimes and the author of best-selling business books, clearly has a comfortable amount of disposable income and not many major expenses ahead of him–he has finished financing his children's college education.

    That is why, he writes, he and his wife decided to begin to give each of their four children part of their inheritance now. Now, as in while their children are still setting themselves up in life as opposed to later when Brown and his wife are no longer around and the children are set up–living their lives with presumably there own reservoirs of disposable income.

    Turns out the headline is a tad more provocative than what Brown is doing. Many of us give our grown children financial gifts in the here and now–or "loans" that we do not expect them to repay. Most of us do it on an ad hoc basis. Brown is more organized. He gives each of his children an annual check. He reports that the money is used by each of his kids in different–albeit responsible–ways: to buy a house, to fund a college account for a newborn, to start a business, to boost a savings account.

    He seems to be saying what paterfamilias and I have long believed: If we are fortunate enough to have raised children who don't feel entitled –as Brown says his children do not–and who don't have wild or crazy spending habits, then why not share the wealth now when they need it. It's all well and good to believe they should be independent and stand on their own two feet. But how pleasurable it is to help them out.

    Here are three reasons Brown gives for giving himself that pleasure:

    They can use the money now

    They are going to get the money anyway, in the form of an inheritance.

    Who wants them waiting around for you to…… Brown spells it out this way: "Why, as a parent, would you want your children — even if it is on some tiny, tiny, tiny subconscious level — waiting around for you to die, so they can inherit money they could use now?"

    Brown also notes that he and his wife have prepared the best they can for the future, saving money for retirement and carrying good health insurance. They are giving their children money that is expendable. It brings to mind a post I wrote  about a question Carl Richards (the "Sketch Guy" financial adviser who also writes for the NYTimes) raises about money: How much is enough? When we can answer that query we may want to share the excess with those we love.

    Related articles

  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Giving_a_gift

    Are all things equal? We love our Grands: We may like some of them more than we like others but we love them all. Those of us who have step-grands love them too.  Even if we don't, we learn from the step-parents who are our adult children, that the step Grands will be treated equally–at the risk of a family breach. 

    Friends of ours, whose daughter has two tween step kids as well as toddler twins of her own, figured this out recently. They invited the daughter, her husband and the twins to celebrate their 40th anniversary with them at a resort in the Caribbean. They did not initially invite the step kids since the Steps spent most of their time living at their mother's house. Our friends knew those kids only fleetingly. But it was spring break and their daughter "asked" her parents, who were picking up the tab for the trip, to include the two step kids as well. This was not something their daughter could afford to pay for. Our friends agreed to do it, but out of earshot of their daughter, they groused at the additional expense (two more air fares and a larger townhouse) and at the intrusion of two kids they didn't know well  into the family mix. (Their son and his family were also coming, also on the grandparent tab.) But their daughter made it clear that the step kids were her kids, even if they only lived under her roof on alternative weekends, and that her parents should not think otherwise.

    I'm reminded of that extravaganza (it turned out to be a lovely vacation and a delightful 40th anniversary celebration) by advice in a recent Carolyn Hax column.

    The writer, who says she loves her son's young teen children as well as the new wife and her two tween kids, wants guidance on birthday gift giving. Her query, "If I give everyone the same amount or same gift, I feel the “grans” will feel slighted because I am THEIR grandmother. If I give the “step-grans” a lesser gift, I feel they will feel slighted. Any suggestions would be helpful.

     Carolyn Hax's answer reflects the ultimate decision our friends, despite the grousing, came to: "Kids are kids and grandparents are grandparents. Love is love. Equal gifts for all."

     

     

     

    Related articles

    Grandparenting: Being careful what we say to our grownchildren about their children
    Vacations with Grown Kids and Grands: Update on easing the stress of too much togetherness
    Parenting Grown Children: We are at our peril when we give advice they didn't ask for
  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Anne-Lamott-2013-San-Francisco
    In a TED talk she gave recently, Annie Lamott served up some advice for parents of grown children. I wish I could capture the plaintive quality of her voice–and the slyness of her humor–when she recited her "12 Truths I Learned from Life and Writing." You can listen here but I'm stuck with delivering the words I transcribed as she spoke.

    This is what Lamott, the author most famously of Operating Instructions: A Journal of My Son's First Year and Bird by Bird: Some Instructions on Writing and Life , had to say about hovering over our adult children and trying to help them–or anyone we hold dear–find their way:

    There is almost  nothing outside of you that will help in any kind of lasting way unless you're way inside an organ. You can't buy, achieve or date serenity or peace of mind. This is the most horrible truth and I still resent it. Faith is an inside job. We can't arrange peace or lasting improvement for those we love most in the world. They have to find their own way, their own answers. You can't run alongside your grown children with sun screen and chap stick on their hero's journey. You have to release them. It's disrespectful not to.

    And if it's someone else's problem you probably don't have the answer anyway. Our help is not very helpful. It's often toxic. Help is the sunny side of control. Stop helping so much.  Don't get your helping business all over everybody.

     That was rule number 3. Rule number 2 was more succinct but also lands a punch:

    Almost everything will work again if you unplug it for a few minutes. Including you.

    Related articles

    Parenting Grown Children: We are at our peril when we give advice they didn't ask for
    Grandparenting: Being careful what we say to our grownchildren about their children
  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Spuerschwäin

    Financial advisers tell us to squirrel away money for our retirement, and yet we spend it on our adult children–paying their cell phone bills, letting them live rent-free in our houses. Friends (especially those without children) are shocked (shocked!) when we give a grown child a lavish gift or pay one of their outstanding bills.

    Yes, it may not make financial sense; it may run counter to a life-long parenting goal of our children becoming independent adults.  Yet a recent outgrowth of economic thought understands why we do it: It has a whopping pay off. In short, it makes us feel good.

    The slightly longer answer goes like this: When it comes to money, the getting and saving matter–how much longer we need to work; how much money we need to keep in an emergency account. But so do emotions. In the long run, they may overwhelm our rational judgment about long-term goals, but they also bring us happiness in the here and now. For some of us, there's a deep pleasure in paying off a chunk of our kids' college debt or car payments or offering a wad of cash for the down payment on a first house. (For that matter, putting aside money in an emergency account doesn't make all that much sense, but it does bring us comfort to know it's there.)

    As parents we are more than a spreadsheet and by-the-book counselors.

    In his financial blog Michael Kitces points to research and makes a point about money and happiness:

    Yet contrary to the conventional wisdom that “money can’t buy happiness”, a recent new book entitled “Happy Money” by researchers Elizabeth Dunn and Michael Norton suggests that there may be far more opportunity than we realize to derive greater happiness by changing the ways we spend our money. How we spend – on ourselves, and others – really does impact the enjoyment and emotional well-being we derive.

    In fact, the research of “Happy Money” suggests that sometimes, the best things we can do to improve our happiness may lie in not trying to maximize our wealth, but instead focusing on experiential purchases (rather than “stuff” that appreciates in value), spending money to buy time, and even spending money to support family and relatives instead of ourselves (which may not be cost-effective, but can be remarkably happiness-effective!).

     For more on the the latter point Kitces raises, see my post : "Can we afford to share our wealth with our grown kids in the here and now? There's a way to measure that."

    Related articles

    Lending a grown child time rather than money. Is there a difference?
    Leaving a Legacy: Should we take care of them or should they take care of us?
    How to Buy Happiness | Gregory B. Knapp
  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

      Hanya-yanagihara

    What do we expect of our grown children: That they'll return our affection; that they'll want to spend time with us; that they'll be there for us in our dotage? Hanya Yanagihara, the New York-based grown child of parents who live in Honolulu (as well as the new editor of the New York Times Style Magazine, "T"), says her parents don't see things that way. Here's what she writes about their attitude toward the duty of children.

     Last July, I went to Honolulu …to spend the summer with my parents. My parents and I have a warm relationship, even though, or perhaps because, I don’t speak to or visit them frequently; until my most recent trip there, the previous July, I hadn’t seen them in six years. I live in New York, and they live in Hawaii, and while it’s true that traveling to the islands requires a certain commitment of time, the real reason I stayed away is that there were other places I wanted to go and other things I wanted to see. Of all the gifts and advantages my parents have given me, one of the greatest is their understanding of this desire, their conviction that it is the duty of children to leave and do what they want, and the duty of parents to not just accept this but to encourage it. When I was 14 and first leaving my parents — then living in East Texas — to attend high school in Honolulu, my father told me that any parent who expected anything from his child (he was speaking of money and accomplishment, but he also meant love, devotion and caretaking) was bound to be disappointed, because it was foolish and selfish to raise children in the hope that they might someday repay the debt of their existence; he has maintained this ever since. It is, in a culture that cherishes familial proximity, a radical way of thinking by people who otherwise pride themselves on their conventionality (though, lovably, their idea of the conventional tends to not actually be so at all).

     

    Related articles

    Lending a grown child time rather than money. Is there a difference?
    Bank of Mom and Pop: Wherever they are in the world, parents like to offer their grown kids a helping hand.
    Leaving a Legacy: Are we the guardians of our children's mementos? Three things to ask yourself when you pare down the stuff your children leave behind
  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Charging
    When a 14-year-old Grand hopped a plane and came to visit her Gramps and PenPen during spring break, the trip was all about indulging her–giving her the chance to decide what we would do, where we would go and the kind of food we would eat. Freedom Hall. A visit without the parents in tow is a  liberating experience for us as well as for her. But there was one rule that her parents insisted we enforce: No cellphones, laptops or other screens in her room at night.

    When our 16-year-old Grandson flew down here last week for a quick 36-hour visit (Sunday soccer games must be accommodated), a similar admonition followed him. Cellphones had to be parked in the kitchen (or wherever we plugged our charging station) at night and during dinner.

    I hate being a policeman. I want my visits with my teen Grands to feel like we are a staging for the almost-adults they are almost becoming. I want them to feel I trust them to be responsible and to follow the sensible rules their parents lay down–that I don't need to check up on them.

    But the cellphone rules are there for good reason. The science (and we believe in science!) finds that screen time at bedtime is disruptive to sleep patterns. A European study of nearly 10,000 16- to 19-year-olds found that the longer the time in any given day that a teenager spends using electronic devices such as tablets and smartphones, the worse their sleep will be.

    Closer to home, an article in Science Life  (a publication of University of Chicago Medicine and Biological Sciences) looked at sleep patterns for children and adolescents. After delineating a variety of reasons why adolescents don't bed down as easily as their younger siblings (circadian rhythms and that sort of stuff), the article ran these family-friendly Q and A paragraphs:

    Is it okay if the phone is in the room but it’s just plugged in and charging? Or is there something about the presence of it, knowing it’s there and you might get a message?

    That should be fine, but if your kid knows it’s there and might be tempted to check it in case a friend texts, you might as well charge it in the living room. Even if it’s on vibrate, their brains are cued to hear that and it could wake them up. They’re going to want to get up and check it, so it’s removing the temptation by taking it out of the room.

    Is there a rule of thumb for how long before bedtime you should turn off the electronics?

    If you could do at least 30 minutes that’s great. An hour or more is wonderful, but that’s not terribly realistic for a lot of people, including myself. I know the rules and I break them myself sometimes. But give your brain a chance to unwind, to reduce the effects of the bright light and recover from that. Give yourself at least 30 minutes to not be staring at a bright light or doing anything particularly stimulating like playing violent video games. Watching TV from a distance isn’t necessarily as bad because it’s not as bright, unless what you’re doing is very stimulating, so watching a horror movie in bed isn’t always a great idea.

    Which is more of a problem: the light from screens or the stimulation from using electronics?

    Both. Light is particularly bad because it suppresses melatonin. It’s also an alerting signal to the brain of it being daytime. It can confuse the brain about what time of day it is. The brain is thinking it should be alert and awake because it’s bright and something is going on. So it’s doing both at the same time.

    Turns out we didn't have to police the situation too closely. Both our Grands (one our daughter's child; the other our son's) understood the rules. They voluntarily brought their phones to the charging station when they went to bed. There was a little more fudging on the laptop front–I won't say by whom. We did have to close it down when we did a bed check before we went to bed. But there were no whines or complaints. We could rest easy: Our Grands have learned and are practicing proper digital device behavior. Are they sleeping the sleep of the good? We assume so.

    Related articles

    Parenting Grown Children: We are at our peril when we give advice they didn't ask for
    Vacations with Grown Kids and Grands: Update on easing the stress of too much togetherness
  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Bank-teller-window

    When my mother died, she left all that was left in her estate to me. But that didn't lessen my resentment of how my brother had, when he was alive (he died before my widowed mother did), talked her into giving him access to her savings accounts and squandered two thirds of it.

    Whether we need the worldly goods or not–I was fortunate in not–there is something primal about the resentment we feel for a sibling if our parents treated them more favorably than us.

    I bring that up lo these many years later because Paterfamlias and I–and our friends–are now the older generation, the parents of the grown children and, human nature being what it is, many of us are probably tilting more toward one child than another, helping out a child who may be struggling financially and not offering equal rewards to one who is not. The common sense of our actions may be apparent to us but not necessarily to the child who's not getting his or her share.

    At least that is a point raised in a recent British publication, The National. After ranting a bit about parents who favor the "weaker" of their children over the more successful one, the author sums up research that has a surprising kick to it:

    "Research in the United States found that parents helping their young adult children financially was linked to what it called a "solid parent-child bond" that got stronger the more money is given. I found it surprising, and disturbing, that money was a bigger issue than emotional support and affection. Other research states that sibling relationships were not affected by preferential treatment, like affection, as long as they were given the same amount of money. Give one more money than the other and you’re condemning siblings to bad relationships with each other later

    So it turns out that our adult children are sensitive to inequality just as they were when they were small children living under our roof.

    The answer to the issue is not necessarily to change our ways or even the scales, but to let our kids know what we're thinking and get input from them. In the best of all possible worlds, their reaction will be like that of a friend of mine's son who told his parents he was fine with their helping out his sister and that they should feel comfortable leaving the bulk of their worldly goods to her. He and his wife both have MBAs and high-paying jobs.. They are more than able to support their two children and send one who needs an extra boost to private school  The sister holds a low-paying job (she's a social worker) and her husband, who lost his job in the 2008 recession, has been unable to regain his footing. They are struggling to support their twin girls. It is a relief to the parents to know that they are providing financial help to their daughter without their son resenting it. (Not knowing when the need for that help will end? Relief-less.)

    According to Megan Ford, a therapist and head of the Financial Therapy Association, the biggest reason parents offer adult children financial help is that they are struggling due to a job loss, divorce or the pursuit of a career path that’s meaningful, but not lucrative. Also high on the list: providing assistance to a child who is disabled or has special needs or is dealing with addiction or mental health issues.

    The National's author has this advice for those who are not even-handed in handing out or leaving money to their grown kids:

    "Talk about it with your family, explain what you want to do, why, and that you realise it affects everyone. You might be surprised with the different takes on what you’re proposing. And most importantly, talk about being fair. You want to be fair don’t you? Find out what that means to everyone, not just what it means to you."

     

    Related articles

    Bank of Mom and Pop: Wherever they are in the world, parents like to offer their grown kids a helping hand.
    Bank of Mom and Dad: The trend line on supporting grown children
    Leaving a Legacy: Should we take care of them or should they take care of us?
  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Sealed letter2

    Unexpectedly,  we came across a cache of Uber son's college memorablia. The family that bought our house last year found a large box cramped under an eave in a remote section of crawl space. It had our name on it.

    Paterfamilias and I hauled the very large, dust-coated box to our apartment. We peeled off the packing tape and found, among other things, assorted English Lit novels in bind-broken or yellowed condition, a framed college diploma and several shoe boxes full of photos, letters, college essays and a small, rubberband-bound journal.

    We had no qualms about dumping the spoiled books, the college papers and the snapshots that were curling at the edges. But what to do about the journal and the boxes crammed with letters. (Our son went to college in pre-email days.) The stuff was our son's and remembrances of his young adult life. If he lived nearby, we would ask him to come by and dispose of the materials himself. But he doesn't. 

    Here were our choices: We could trash everything and pretend the box had never surfaced (as well it might never have). Or, we could edit the materials down to travel size and bring the most interesting stuff with us on our next visit to our son and his family.

    There is only one way to edit down material–sift through it to see what should be tucked into our suitcase and what should be tossed or shredded. This is where we faced "invasion of privacy" issues. How far along to read the letters to figure out whether they should be saved for further inspection by the person to whom they were addressed. Who was still important enough to him that letters written some 20 years ago would be meaningful.

    It was a quease-producing process. The reading gave way to quick looks at return addresses. We plucked a few for posterity–like the one from a professor telling him how much he had enjoyed having our son in his class. The journal, an inscrutable pictograph account of an adventure with college friends, made it into the suitcase. The framed diploma? We texted about it and got a "no thanks."  The final treasure was an 8 x 10, framed, color photo of our son with three college teammates, two soccer coaches and one soccer ball. We packed it.

    When we finally handed over the curated treasure trove, our son seemed mildly interested in the college prof's letter, greeted the journal with a "hmmmm," and laughed out loud (LOL'd) at the soccer photo. So did his kids. But we have proof that he was really pleased to see it. He posted it on Facebook.

    Doug hamilton soccer

    Found in the attic of my parents' house. My kids told me I could share this picture if I managed to crop it enough to not show the mortifying short-shorts (OMG. Dad, put some clothes on!)….

     

    Related articles

    Parenting Grown Children: We are at our peril when we give advice they didn't ask for
  • PARENTING GROWN CHILDREN: The children may be grown but we still have our issues.

    Sidebar

     I've got an unrequited affection for the wisdom spouted by Philip Galanes, the NYTimes Social Qs columnist. Hot on the heels of that blog-crush is one for Carl Richards, who offers financial advice as the Sketch Guy (he likes to sketch his ideas on the back of a paper napkin; see below).  While he may not directly target our demographic (parents of adult children), his words of financial wisdom often pertain.

    Take this recent sketch on the importance of defining how much income is enough, a calculation that, for those of us in or near retirement, may also apply to the accumulation and the spending of savings. 

    On the income question, Richards asks whether, if you could double your income in 18 months for only five more hours of work per week, would you do it? He then ups the ante: triple the income for 10 hours; quintuple for 20.  "At what point," he asks, "would you answer “No”?"

    His point is to figure out how much money we need to live happily and breathe easy (pay our bills; live the way we want to). Once paying the rent and grocery bills are assured, the calculation comes down to accumulating more money versus spending more time with family or at leisure.

    For those of us at the farther end of the income-earning cycle, we might ask ourselves, how much in bankable assets do we need to live happily and breathe easily in retirement and how much would be willing to give up to double that amount. For some of us that means, how much longer should we work and put money away for our retirement?

    Once we're retired and living off fixed assets, how do we want to add to the pot by taking a job–maybe as a barista or in retail sales. How much is enough to pay the bills and still have the wherewithal to offer our grown children a helping hand (if we think they deserve it) or indulge our grandchildren (if it gives us pleasure).  It's the same calculus we would use if we decided, as friends of ours have, that, once their grown kids graduated college, the Bank of Mom and Dad was shuttered. They've used their "excess" retirement money to travel the world and engage in hobbies and activities that require an investment in equipment or material.

    How much is enough? It is more than a question of dollars and real estate. It's about our values. With income, it's a balance between money and time; with retirement savings, it's between money and what gives us pleasure and meaning.

    Napkin sketch

     

    Related articles

    Lending a grown child time rather than money. Is there a difference?
    The Unintended Consequences Of An Easy Life